Commander Update Beta 2021 - USF Feedback

The rifle grenade changes are being reverted due to the lack of user friendliness. While it is an annoying weapon to deal with, it is not particularly powerful on its own with a travel time and delayed detonation. We are restoring the Rifle Grenade Launcher to its original form with only a slight nerf to its reload time.

Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2021, 11:57 AMVipper

quite simply using the data from "https://coh2stats.com/stats/month/1614556800/1v1/soviet"; each commander get a score according to how often it appears on the load out in each mode.

Since there 9 USF commander in 1vs1 Airborne company would have a score of 9 while armor company a score 1.

Now one can add the score from each mode and then divide by 4 and see how popular a commander is across all modes.

Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2021, 14:28 PMEsxile

Someone from the balance team can explain how:

1- something not particularly powerful can have been nerfed to the ground on the first patch iteration.
2- still get nerfed, I mean: it is not particularly powerful but slight nerf to its reload time.

Shall we nerf all flamthrower because they are particularly more powerfull on their own vs cover.

Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2021, 14:28 PMEsxile

Someone from the balance team can explain how:

1- something not particularly powerful can have been nerfed to the ground on the first patch iteration.
2- still get nerfed, I mean: it is not particularly powerful but slight nerf to its reload time.

Shall we nerf all flamthrower because they are particularly more powerfull on their own vs cover.

Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2021, 17:03 PMIntoTheRain

I'm certainly not on the balance team, but I have no problems with nerfing it and think they should have kept the first version.

Auto attacking Grenades are incredibly powerful at that timing, and require far more input (and screen time) to counter than they do to use. Its a zero risk, high reward weapon.

The original proposed version would have kept the Grenades free, but forced user input to use. I think that is a fair way to at least equalize out the amount of APM required to fight them.

Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2021, 20:56 PMEsxile

The original version kept the 60 munitions cost to upgrade it and nerfed their cooldown into oblivion.
My point stand, if it was a good idea to make them requiring user input fair enough then why didn't the team just followed with the idea?
Instead we've got a declaration that the ability is in fact weak but get nerfed anyway.

Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2021, 20:56 PMEsxile

The original version kept the 60 munitions cost to upgrade it and nerfed their cooldown into oblivion.
My point stand, if it was a good idea to make them requiring user input fair enough then why didn't the team just followed with the idea?
Instead we've got a declaration that the ability is in fact weak but get nerfed anyway.

Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2021, 22:16 PMIntoTheRain

I couldn't tell you.

I'm just giving you my opinion. I think the live version is incredibly strong, and thought the first revision was a fair change. I'd completely disagree with their assessment that it is weak and that the revisi4on wasn't user friendly. Its the same as a Grenadier Rifle grenade, and would most likely have paid for itself with 3 uses. It even had the upside of not knowing when the Grenade was going to be launched.

Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2021, 22:24 PMProtos Angelus

Is it the same? I cant check right now but I think the gren rifle nade is much stronger. Haven't seen anyone get wiped by the echelon nade. Heck, my volks didnt even lose 50%hp super clumped up vs it a couple of games ago.

Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2021, 22:34 PMChukiki

Wc51 nerfed range? r u kidding me????

Jump back to quoted post15 Apr 2021, 01:00 AMChukiki

wow, just sad how they ruin a rare unit

Jump back to quoted post15 Apr 2021, 01:29 AMPip

The WC-51 was a rare unit? What, in the sense that it wasn't "Well done"?

Jump back to quoted post12 Apr 2021, 18:36 PMSander93

What follow up? This one?

Jump back to quoted post15 Apr 2021, 01:46 AMShadowLinkX37

You know if the priest still has the UI bug where shells land long based on the target circle? Can that be fixed this patch?