German Infantry Commander adjustments

Jump back to quoted post12 Mar 2021, 00:09 AMEtherealDragon

I assume you will concede that stock Grens generally beat stock Cons at longer ranges?

So if each upgrade adds 1 extra model then that means there is no change in their relationship. Add in the fact that VSL gives them a cooldown bonus still and STG (superior to G43 at longer ranges) then they still win at longer ranges assuming no user error. They just simply don't win *as* hard as LMG grens.

Jump back to quoted post11 Mar 2021, 12:27 PMZeroZeroNi

What???? Really there is nothing more you can say other than BS.


Right the balance team basically removed any disadvantages/drawbacks/risk involved with parallel teching for every single faction so that's not even worth considering.



Yes of course don't play the game at all what a realistic statement. May I remind you you need to actually build t1(the same thing as teching for sovs) to get grens at all in the first place. Just try not to tech/place buiding and get 5 man grens, You can't OMG what an insight.

T4 tech requirements mean nothing as you get it eventually. After that how do you justify less costly unit out performing another. Because the games gonna reach a point where every player has access to all tech and only resources will be spent on unit and upgrades. What justification does tech requirement have then of less costly units out performing more costly one. There isn't any other wise OST t4 units would be priced lower Since they come later than all other vehicles but that wouldn't make sense in end game(or even post tech game)

Jump back to quoted post12 Mar 2021, 00:44 AMFarlion

Classic case of an unnecessary double nerf. Instead of taking away the issue (that they did too much damage while being very tough to kill), the balance team took away both.

Since it's agreed their durability was too much, either return the G43 or boost the StG they get. Because if 5 Man Grens are useless, no one's going to pick this commander.

Jump back to quoted post12 Mar 2021, 06:07 AMMr Carmine

BS? Sure man,

What does t1 cost for ost? Very little and its the first building you can build right away and doesnt just give acces to grens. Reaching the tech to get 7th man costs a shit ton more, even then you need to get snare and molly wich is mp and fuel spend only for cons.
But hey teching is done regardless lets just ignore that and look at cons and grens in a vacum and leave out all the rest. And only then it seems that grens with vsl are a more expensive unit and should be a bit better. But being objective is hard these days. I would love to hear yourvreason why the mg42 is so much better then the maxim dispite costing the same exluding tech.

They switched some units around for usf a while back so the at and ai is spread out a bit better now. Stil the atgun and .50 cal arent in bot paths.

Jump back to quoted post12 Mar 2021, 06:25 AMZeroZeroNi

Yeah man great argument don't play the game. Yeah sure insane logic.

Jump back to quoted post12 Mar 2021, 07:13 AMMr Carmine

I play enough and have at least some insight in the bigger picture, what i dont have is a narrow perspective and an attitude with any who disagree.
When you lose your argument or get challengend you resort to you dont play the game.

Or are you gonna give your reason why the mg42 is so much better dispite costing the same as the maxim? You wont because it counter the vsl grens are more expensive and should be better.

Jump back to quoted post12 Mar 2021, 00:44 AMFarlion

Classic case of an unnecessary double nerf. Instead of taking away the issue (that they did too much damage while being very tough to kill), the balance team took away both.

Since it's agreed their durability was too much, either return the G43 or boost the StG they get. Because if 5 Man Grens are useless, no one's going to pick this commander.

Jump back to quoted post12 Mar 2021, 08:24 AMSmartie

+1

Jump back to quoted post12 Mar 2021, 08:19 AMZeroZeroNi

Dude you can't expect to say BS and expect people to not show you attitude.

I see. Ok when I say "don't play the game" I mean you brought up a situation which only happens if just go afk.

You should ask that question to the balance team m8. They are one who designed it that way, can't help in an argument where I share the same opinion. But that is another terrible argument.

Jump back to quoted post12 Mar 2021, 09:13 AMMr Carmine

Its only a terrible argument because it doesnt fit with yours

Jump back to quoted post12 Mar 2021, 05:31 AMZeroZeroNi

It's not all that simple. The sgt has lower damage and is an auto weapon that means it's damage is more spread out compared to things like con_mosin's or gren_kar's work. DPS alone isn't really a good indication on how an engagement is gonna go.

Jump back to quoted post12 Mar 2021, 18:23 PMEtherealDragon

The STG is all gravy though. If 4 Men Grens beat 6 Men Cons at long range then 5 Men Grens beat 7 Men Cons. DPS doesn't dictate an engagement (RNG does) but it's still a pretty good indicator of the average result. SO if STG has a higher DPS at mid-long range then by definition that means on average they'll perform better on average at those ranges than G43.

Jump back to quoted post12 Mar 2021, 18:23 PMEtherealDragon

The STG is all gravy though. If 4 Men Grens beat 6 Men Cons at long range then 5 Men Grens beat 7 Men Cons. DPS doesn't dictate an engagement (RNG does) but it's still a pretty good indicator of the average result. SO if STG has a higher DPS at mid-long range then by definition that means on average they'll perform better on average at those ranges than G43.

Jump back to quoted post12 Mar 2021, 18:48 PMVipper

This not exactly correct and there are many variables.

Before the patch when I tested vet 3 Lmg grenadier would beat 7 mean conscripts in cover to cover max range but 5 men vet 3 grenadier would lose more fight than they would win.

That can be explained because the DPS drop of Lmg grenadier was less.

I have not tested since the patch but I would guess that this would be similar since 5 men grenadier lost RA and Conscripts Accuracy.Conscripts can close in to grenadier and win the fight.