Reduce UKF Tommy and Engineer population？
21 Jan 2021, 14:35 PM
#1
Posts: 732
I think it cost too many population，so could reduce them default pop by 1？Or maybe just for Tommy？Increase squad size now need T2，and relic NERF them rifle damage long time，default 4 men squad also need 270MP，I think now Tommy need some buff，at least it default pop could be 6（after upgrade to 7 same as other mainline infantry），also give more population to use for UKF
21 Jan 2021, 14:49 PM
#2
Posts: 956
Better not encourage heavy IS builds even more
If anything in UKF needs buff its the Vickers, not IS
If anything in UKF needs buff its the Vickers, not IS
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21 Jan 2021, 16:43 PM
#3
Posts: 486
Cutting Eng pop would be nice as they need to be common for snares. People already hate tommy spam. I think the best source of savings is shaving everywhere else. Cut emplacements by 2-4 pop, cut Crommy by 1, base Churchill by 1-2, FF by 1-2, AO by 1-2, and maybe Vickers by 1. Make Churchill count as a heavy tank so you can only get 1. Only allow 1 of each emplacement. The new mortar change really helps.
Fixing the Vickers requires consistently suppressing assaulting squads without letting them nade you.
Fixing the Vickers requires consistently suppressing assaulting squads without letting them nade you.
21 Jan 2021, 16:47 PM
#4
Posts: 1594
Given how strong Tommies are, I'd be loathe to agree to a population reduction for them. As Descolata has suggested, Population reductions across a swathe of UKF's other units might be a better idea.
EDIT: Regarding engineers; Instead of reducing their base population, could you not simply give them a population buff when Bolster is teched? This works out to have the same effect, but it means your population doesn't move around as much.
EDIT: Regarding engineers; Instead of reducing their base population, could you not simply give them a population buff when Bolster is teched? This works out to have the same effect, but it means your population doesn't move around as much.
21 Jan 2021, 16:48 PM
#5
Posts: 808
no. they completely wreck volks and grens and u want them to have the same OR lower pop cAP, then lower ther combat performance too but thats not guna happen mate.
22 Jan 2021, 12:53 PM
#6
Posts: 321
Not under the impression that this is necessary.
Personally I'd remove the bolster upgrade and balance tommies around their 5-man setup, but it's not broken as it is so better leave it be.
Personally I'd remove the bolster upgrade and balance tommies around their 5-man setup, but it's not broken as it is so better leave it be.
- Who has time? ... But then if we do not ever take time, how can we ever have time? huh?
22 Jan 2021, 17:40 PM
#7
Posts: 658
UKF Infantry Sections and Engineers/Sappers are fine.
The other stuff however could do with a pop decrease though.
The other stuff however could do with a pop decrease though.
22 Jan 2021, 19:31 PM
#8
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I think engineers should be slightly more expensive and have their damage increased. They're currently pitiful even at 5 man and you only ever build 2 at the most.
Tommies if anything need a redesign or stats shift, not a buff.
Tommies if anything need a redesign or stats shift, not a buff.
22 Jan 2021, 19:37 PM
#9
Posts: 4474
The damage for the price is not that bad for RE actually
Ass gren 10 DPS close
RE 7 DPS close
Ass gren 10 DPS close
RE 7 DPS close
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22 Jan 2021, 23:27 PM
#10
Posts: 290
I think engineers should be slightly more expensive and have their damage increased. They're currently pitiful even at 5 man and you only ever build 2 at the most.
Tommies if anything need a redesign or stats shift, not a buff.
It's not like OST or SOV engineers are any better on that front.
22 Jan 2021, 23:46 PM
#11
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It's not like OST or SOV engineers are any better on that front.
Ost and sov engineers don't carry stock CQC troop role on their shoulders.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
23 Jan 2021, 00:19 AM
#12
Posts: 1594
Ost and sov engineers don't carry stock CQC troop role on their shoulders.
That's what the Assault Officer is for, now.
23 Jan 2021, 01:19 AM
#13
Posts: 290
Ost and sov engineers don't carry stock CQC troop role on their shoulders.
Actually OST engi does carry CQC for OST for core troops, it's not like assgrens are in every commander. If you say PG's they are somewhere between there for OST for mid-CQC.
23 Jan 2021, 01:31 AM
#14
Posts: 486
That's what the Assault Officer is for, now.
I wish he was good at it. AO is crazy expensive, his sweep doesn't even work right, and the only sprint on UKF... can't be used on its CQC unit.
Late game he picks up 2 UKF brens, so he's about half an IS in power for full cost. With his extra man, the AO is 9 population, I believe the most pop expensive infantry in the game.
30 MP reinforcement, always a treat on units that have to assault over open ground.
Also the AO uses the miserable "new_wedge_elite", the famous V formation being patched out on other units.
The AO DOES have some of the lowest RA in the game, at .7 initially with a RA of .595 at Vet 3, mildly loosing to vetted Rangers.
Suggestions:
Cut pop cost by 1-2, so its not 9 pop Vet 2. UKF already has issues fitting in necessary units due to lack of generalist units.
Make Heroic Charge able to target the AO.
Fix Recon Sweep
Replace "new_wedge_elite" with "new_standard_line".
To Try:
Fire-On-Move Brens. AO needs a late game reason to take up so much Pop, and Brens have a backwards DPS profile to the stens.
23 Jan 2021, 03:13 AM
#15
Posts: 5279
Ost and sov engineers don't carry stock CQC troop role on their shoulders.
they also cant sling AT, have snares, increase their squads by 25% or gain armour ...
for their price sappers are amazing. if not for their timing they might even have the potential to be oppressive.
#stalinwept
23 Jan 2021, 03:17 AM
#16
Posts: 5279
To Try:
Fire-On-Move Brens. AO needs a late game reason to take up so much Pop, and Brens have a backwards DPS profile to the stens.
please no more lmgs on the move... lmgs were supposed to have clear cut strengths and weaknesses'. they are strong at range, weak on the move and unable to fotm. thats good. you know why its good? because then we dont have long range death squads that can chase. lets try to bring back some thought in to combat and avoid battle of the blobs best we can yea?
cover. relative positioning. ROLES.
#stalinwept
23 Jan 2021, 08:55 AM
#17
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That's what the Assault Officer is for, now.
No, that's what he was supposed to do.
And going by how often its used in competitive games, I'd say he doesn't carry that job particularly well.
Actually OST engi does carry CQC for OST for core troops, it's not like assgrens are in every commander. If you say PG's they are somewhere between there for OST for mid-CQC.
If you think pios are CQC for ost, you need to re-evaluate your life choices, because somewhere down the line you've made a terrible mistake.
Argue all you want, its PGs role and just because they still are effective beyond 10 range does not change that fact.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
23 Jan 2021, 14:50 PM
#18
Posts: 1594
they also cant sling AT, have snares, increase their squads by 25% or gain armour ...
for their price sappers are amazing. if not for their timing they might even have the potential to be oppressive.
In my experience they already do quite well vs unupgraded Volks, especially for their price. Im concerned the balance patch will make my early game vs brits even more AIDS.
23 Jan 2021, 17:45 PM
#19
Posts: 5279
If you think pios are CQC for ost, you need to re-evaluate your life choices, because somewhere down the line you've made a terrible mistake.
Argue all you want, its PGs role and just because they still are effective beyond 10 range does not change that fact.
They arnt shock troops but they are a threat as well. If you don't get focused down while closing pios will force tommies off. They also bully cons and any weapon crew they get up to. Again they ain't shocks but they shouldn't be ignored either. Sappers. Iirc have rough the same output do they not?
#stalinwept
23 Jan 2021, 17:45 PM
#20
Posts: 5279
In my experience they already do quite well vs unupgraded Volks, especially for their price. Im concerned the balance patch will make my early game vs brits even more AIDS.
I too am afraid of this.
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