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and here comes the thing: the comet is great in all roles. better than a brummbar in AI (turret, super mobile, great wiping shots, smoke, grenades) and can hold the line vs panthers.

bunch up this OP tank and nothing to stop this wolfpack.

you can argue how u want...its a fact the comet is the most effency nondoc tank out there.

Commet got absolutely nothing on brummbar AI or Panthers AT.

Just stop bullshitting. Stats say completely different story then you here.

Comet's anti-infantry is really RNG. Once it wiped one of my full-health 4 model vetted up Ober squads with a single shot.

Comet's anti-infantry is really RNG. Once it wiped one of my full-health 4 model vetted up Ober squads with a single shot.

Bad luck for you then, they must have bunched up quite badly. I had 5 man section one shot by p4 before,

I had fresh 6 man cons wiped by p4 when they bunched up.
If u want to compare UKF tank that is comparable with panther, its the firefly not comet.
I dont know how you can even compare brumbar and comet, i mean, you must be trollin.

I had fresh 6 man cons wiped by p4 when they bunched up.
If u want to compare UKF tank that is comparable with panther, its the firefly not comet.
I dont know how you can even compare brumbar and comet, i mean, you must be trollin.

How is the firefly more comparable to the panther than the comet?
The comet and panther have similar armor, similar cost, similar range, similar mobility and both can fight against infantry. The firefly has notably better range, substantially worse armor, substantially worse mobility, almost nonexistant anti infantry, and dies in 4 shots compared to 5 for comet and 6 for panther.

How is the firefly more comparable to the panther than the comet?

Because.... Panther primary role is to kill tanks.... and FF primary role is to kill tanks... while Comet is a generalist, like P4.

The comet and panther have similar armor, similar cost, similar range, similar mobility and both can fight against infantry. The firefly has notably better range, substantially worse armor, substantially worse mobility, almost nonexistant anti infantry, and dies in 4 shots compared to 5 for comet and 6 for panther.

Panther can damage infantry.
It can't fight any, it contributes, but its not primary damage dealer, because its AT specialist.

StuG with MG upgrade is more comparable to Panther then Comet.

Stats reflect HOW the unit is supposed to engage enemies.
FF destroys tanks by sniping them from long range with low DPS.
Panther destroys tanks by outlasting them and chasing them down.

The sole fact that some people compare comet to a panther is a testament to cluelessness of these people who are utterly ignorant about role of the unit.

Comet is a middle point between med tank and heavy tank, just like panther is in context of TDs.

Because.... Panther primary role is to kill tanks.... and FF primary role is to kill tanks... while Comet is a generalist, like P4.


Panther can damage infantry.
It can't fight any, it contributes, but its not primary damage dealer, because its AT specialist.

StuG with MG upgrade is more comparable to Panther then Comet.

Stats reflect HOW the unit is supposed to engage enemies.
FF destroys tanks by sniping them from long range with low DPS.
Panther destroys tanks by outlasting them and chasing them down.

The sole fact that some people compare comet to a panther is a testament to cluelessness of these people who are utterly ignorant about role of the unit.

Comet is a middle point between med tank and heavy tank, just like panther is in context of TDs.

The comet is the closest analog to the panther in terms of cost and stats. Are you disagreeing with me just to disagree? The only thing comparable between the panther and the firefly is their penetration and main gun aoe. In literally every other category, the panther is FAR closer to the comet than the firefly.

But for the sake of argument let's use their playstyles. The panther is a tank hunter, using its speed range and durability to bully and chase enemy vehicles down. So between the comet and the firefly, which is better at performing in a similar role? Its not the firefly is it. In fact, point to an allied vehicle that can do it better than the comet.

Fool.

With the new patch in your opinion what will be the meta in 1vs1?

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Going back to the original topic (1v1 perspective, v4 balance mod):

SOV will have more breathing room after 5m grens and Osttruppen are toned down, so we will finally see how they actually perform. The faction will probably need some additional touches after the patch goes live, because SOV are currently being balanced around 2019 meta, which is not exactly relevant anymore. T1 will still probably not be an option in competitive games, as the builds will struggle to recover from any mistake due to expensive backteching and no chance to reach T4 with limited map control, but it might become a a viable option in less competitive environments. Overall I believe SOV will strugle at the top levels of play, because other factions have moved forward in terms of raw power and build diversity, whereas SOV will remain stuck with the core T2 build that everybody knows how to play against, but now also with reduction of power level of almost every key unit.

OST will probably end up struggling adjusting to the older playstyle. The faction's success will rely a lot on early MG42 play. If outplayed and not getting the early map control dominance it now enjoys in most game by default, it will not be able to make use of the great possible 222/Panzergren/P4 timings and that will turn it back to the "defensive" faction it used to be at certain points. Its great team weapons and late game potential of T4 builds will carry the faction into many comebacks though.

USF will remain the dominant allied faction. Despite some nerfs to its current popular builds, it still retains the great combination of strong mainline infantry thoughout the whole match, impressive early game, mobile, efficient and potent late game AT and useful doctrines backing all that up. SIgnificant nerfs to common UKF/SOV builds will also contribute to USF remaining the default allied pick.

OKW will emerge as the biggest winner of this patch cycle. Pretty much zero nerfs to core units, multiple improvements to its roster including economy/performance/utility buffs and some new build options on top of that. At the same time, all three allied factions received nerfs to their respective utlralight vehicle builds (scout car/UC,jeep) and main light vehicles, which is what held OWK back the most. OST power increase was also a contributing factor to OKW being picked less last year, so upcoming OST nerfs will contribute to ladder/torunament popularity of OKW correspondingly.

UKF position in the meta will not change much. Its nerfs and reworks are not big enough to warrant a complete change of playstyle (and there is little room for that anyway) or disappearance into obscurity, but it will still feel the hit. USF will therefore remain the default "meta" pick for allies due to its higher flexibility, but UKF will still have a decent mathcup in OKW and will now have a very balanced matchup with OST too, which will ultimately contribute to faction's ladder popularity.

The comet is the closest analog to the panther in terms of cost and stats.

No, Nothing is closest to panther, because there is no other unit like panther made to do what panther does.

Closest thing analog to comet is pershing from units above and EZ8 or 34/85 from units below.
Panther never was in any world equivalent to comet, because it has completely different role.

Are you disagreeing with me just to disagree? The only thing comparable between the panther and the firefly is their penetration and main gun aoe. In literally every other category, the panther is FAR closer to the comet than the firefly.

I'm disagreeing with you, because you are completely wrong trying to compare 2 vehicles with completely different roles just because they have similar cost and timing.
You are literally comparing T-70 to Puma of higher tier.

But for the sake of argument let's use their playstyles. The panther is a tank hunter, using its speed range and durability to bully and chase enemy vehicles down. So between the comet and the firefly, which is better at performing in a similar role? Its not the firefly is it. In fact, point to an allied vehicle that can do it better than the comet.

Read the above, it applies equally here.

You refuse to acknowledge the fact that comet IS a panther level unit, but it is a GENERALIST one, trading range and AT power for AI power, just like any other generalist does compared to specialist.

Comet vs panther is the exact same thing as T-70 vs Puma or ISU vs Elephant.
If you don't get that by now, you're too dense for it.

The only thing comparable between the panther and the firefly is their penetration and main gun aoe.

Fool.

No, the main thing that makes the firefly and panther comparable is that they are build for destroying armor, u dont build panther to kill inf, you dont even build panther to support against infantry. You build it to destroy armor, identical thing with firefly, you build it to destroy armor.
If one has worse hp/armor/range/mobility that does not mean they are not comparable, it means they are designed to have different play style but with same goal, get it? Panther is AT build for chasin, hit and run, FF is build for snipin from afar. Different style.

Comet vs panther is the exact same thing as T-70 vs Puma or ISU vs Elephant.
If you don't get that by now, you're too dense for it.

More like comparing E8 to P4J. Just because a unit isn't specialized does not mean it isnt the best in class for performing a particular duty. If you want a tank to do tank hunting duty(panther playstyle), the comet is the best option for the allies. Despite the fact the panther does this better does not diminish the comets superiority at it over all OTHER vehicles in the game. You may as well be arguing that assault grenadiers and sturmpioneers are not good units to compare since you buy sturmpioneers for repairing and sweeping.

No, the main thing that makes the firefly and panther comparable is that they are build for destroying armor, u dont build panther to kill inf, you dont even build panther to support against infantry. You build it to destroy armor, identical thing with firefly, you build it to destroy armor.
If one has worse hp/armor/range/mobility that does not mean they are not comparable, it means they are designed to have different play style but with same goal, get it? Panther is AT build for chasin, hit and run, FF is build for snipin from afar. Different style.

Comet is quite decent in the anti tank role. Sure its not as good as the panther but if you wanted to buy a vehicle to mimic the panthers style, the comet would be it. The firefly on the other hand is largely only a defensive tool. Comparing the panther to the firefly is like comparing the ostwind to the M8 Scott. Not a good comparison.

More like comparing E8 to P4J. Just because a unit isn't specialized does not mean it isnt the best in class for performing a particular duty.

E8 is a generalist premium med tank.
P4J is regular generalist medium, not premium class anti tank specialist.
Comet is premium generalist medium(having all stats, price including, significantly higher then any other GENERALIST that isn't limited to 1).
Panther is premium AT specialist(having all stats but range significantly higher then any other AT specialist that isn't limited to 1) that does -NOT- have a direct equivalent.
Please stop embarrassing yourself. This is getting painful to read and is no longer funny.

E8 is a generalist premium tank.
P4J is regular generalist, not premium class anti tank specialist.
Comet is premium generalist(having all stats, price including, significantly higher then any other GENERALIST that isn't limited to 1).
Panther is premium AT specialist(having all stats but range significantly higher then any other AT specialist that isn't limited to 1).
Please stop embarrassing yourself. This is getting painful to read and is no longer funny.

E8 is anti tank specialized with some anti infantry capability. Sound familiar?

Its funny because I distinctly recall you extolling the virtues of how wonderful the panther's Anti infantry is with its machine guns and pintle upgrade. You change your mind all of a sudden?

E8 is anti tank specialized with some anti infantry capability. Sound familiar?

I'm done.
You're just too dense and completely clueless on units roles and stats.

Its funny because I distinctly recall you extolling the virtues of how wonderful the panther's Anti infantry is with its machine guns and pintle upgrade. You change your mind all of a sudden?

Imagine this:
Its still amazing compared to AI capabilities of Jackson or SU-85.

But it makes it genralist just as much as pintle upgrade on StuG makes it alternative to P4 for AI.

I'm done.
You're just too dense and completely clueless on units roles and stats.

Ironic in that you think comparing a premium med/pseudo heavy hunter is a good comparison against an anti heavy medium tank destroyer. They both have good penetration. They're primary roles are killing tanks. Other similarities end there.

I know the stats. In fact regarding the E8, its anti tank/anti infantry performance has been the subject of a lot of debate here and it has largely been concluded that while the E8 is a great anti tank option, its overshadowed by the Jackson while its anti infantry abilities are lacking. You know, the poor aoe combined with low rate of fire?


As for roles, you may as well say the M8 and Ostwind are comparable if you are just taking the anti tank or anti infantry roles as what determines comparability between units.

The comet is literally the closest analog in terms of stats and in terms of role overlap to the panther. Sure the panther hunts tanks better, no question. Comet is the next best thing. It just so happens the comet is also decent at anti infantry.

You are just digging in your heels here to defend your faulty logic.
Firefly a better comparison to panther then the comet? What are you going to argue next, that the centaur should be compared against the brumbar just because they both happen to be anti infantry specialized?

Are you disagreeing with me just to disagree? The only thing comparable between the panther and the firefly is their penetration and main gun aoe. In literally every other category, the panther is FAR closer to the comet than the firefly.

This is what he does. Talking to him is like shitting in your tea cup, it's both disgusting and pointless.

Comet shuts down medium play like a panther does. As far as roles go, they're quite similar in their medium tank play shut down. The tougher brits I've played are quite aggressive in their dives with them. I don't see much diving with fireflies.

I'm assuming armchair coh generals don't really get to see how they're used.

u can read, right? I compared ti with panther, which cost nearly the same, has less armor, has much less AI, little more range, no nondoc smoke, no greandes, and let you alone it AT.

a panther need ages to fight AT guns...a comet need less than some secounds.

The panthers tends to fight lower armour and lower pen tanks. Its stats are enough for the job even against allied heavies.
The comet fights high armoured units nearly every game. It makes sense that its at is also good next to its ai. Though the crew nades and some vet scaling is pushing it.

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USF: more brutal force to win a game. Less inderect fire ( below rank 150). Mechanize, recon, urban still carry harder.
Sov: Hard to say better than live ver.
UKF: they will be in WTF state for sure. Cant predict.
Weh: less OPtruppen, moar 5 mens
OKW: New changing of Medic finally bring them back to life.

Just spam comets, gz you win the game.
Right vonivan?