What the PRO's think of COH2

Jump back to quoted post19 Nov 2013, 14:57 PMSgtBulldog

All very true, but let's be realistic for a moment: all these commanders are not going to be removed again. Presumably even more will be arriving.

So what on earth could anyone from the player community actually do to reverse the situation? It's like the indians trying to stop settlers from Europe.

I can't see it making a difference if we post our concern here, on the official forum or on the kitchen suppliers' forum.

Jump back to quoted post19 Nov 2013, 15:51 PMInverse

The thing is, I got hooked on vCoH because of the tactical, unit-centric play, but I stayed for the strategic depth that took so much longer to master. In its current state, I just don't see how that strategic depth could ever develop in the core game unless changes are made that don't involve being forced to pay for commanders. It's all tactics, and that just doesn't interest me.

Jump back to quoted post18 Nov 2013, 20:03 PMParanoia

I wholeheartedly agree with you. One way of how I can see of making commanders in a more buildable screnario is first of all to lay off the DLC for a couple of months, balance the current ones and do extensive testing on their future DLC.

This is wishful thinking but I would like to see them reintroduce the teching mechanism of COH1. How:

Bundle the commanders of each faction up, and then split them into 3 defined trees. Specific trees have specific commanders, allowing you to chose different abilities from all the commanders in that tree only (to a max number of allowed abilities) - with the CP abilities accumulating to purchase the next 0CP unit to 1 CP for example just like COH1. This is one way to avoid people who bought the commanders not being upset as they can still use all of a specific commanders abilities, but will allow for a hell of a more diverse game as you can pick and choose abilities from the different commanders in the tech tree you chose to follow.

Well in my mind it sounds easy but writing it doesnt come out as I would like to explain as english is not my first language. I hate when people make these kind of suggestions but I thought it worthwhile putting it out there as I don't really care anymore at this point.

Jump back to quoted post19 Nov 2013, 16:42 PMsluzbenik

That's why I said we should use be able to use fuel to open up more commander slots. Or abilities or something.

I'm not sure COH1 was all THAT strategic...Eventually the US meta revolved around being conservative with rifles until you had a howie or Calliope to devastate unreachable Wehrmakt positions. And as for micro, most COH games at the highest level revolved around who had the better counter-sniping micro, a rather intense and difficult process that is far harder than dodging nades. I quit playing 1v1 when it turned into this crap, because it was just stupid and games were won and lost on the countersnipe.

The games aren't that different. In either game if someone goes T3, you have to get a pak, if you can't pull off a flank you wait for him to hurt himself attacking you before you counter-attack, you have harassing units and shock units (Rangers are really quite similar to shock troops, with added anti-vehicle). Mostly I think it's the fuel upgrades and fuel usage choices that separate the games, as well as the also rather arcadey nade/dodge game. Bars capable of suppression was also a really big part of COH in the early years, though in the last tourneys you saw it used less and less, but was a powerful force multiplier that added more resource-usage decision-making to the game...But arty made bar suppression less useful for most players once they realized that it wasn't really helping kill the med bunker.

Jump back to quoted post19 Nov 2013, 16:51 PMCieZ

Good post Inverse. I can respect the fact that you prefer vCoH. I don't think CoH2 will ever be vCoH and honestly I don't think it should aspire to be. As VonIvan mentioned, CoH2 has strong points and weak points. We as the community should work on further improving upon the strong points while also mitigating the weak points. Trying to push CoH2 to be vCoH will only create a giant mess.

Jump back to quoted post19 Nov 2013, 17:32 PMLeMazarin

agree with most of the points too, game is boring, havent touched it since like 2 months. Keep coming to the forums hoping that some magical new patch is giving another chance to the game but I see its rather the opposite with the new commanders who look quite good on the paper, offering new units but with all the issues mentioned above. On the top of that, the beta patch version is always empty. So I think most of us lost any hope coming from Relic side. On another note, I would like to remind people that vCOH was really a niche community (between 300-700 players online) with a gameplay full of exploitable broken elements until at least patch 1.4 or 1.5 which came out in june, around 4-5 months after release if I remind correctly, so lets not fall into blind nostalgy.

However, maybe it would still be possible to adress it from community side (like in Dow2 and ROTWK ), where community patches gave them another life. As i have no clue about modding, i would just suggest to try coming out with a community patch after gathering all opinions of the top and more engaged players of this community to come out with a community patch where we could play together using basic match but with some off-game rankings.

Another option would be to do something similar like they did with Age of Empire Online having a ranked mode without DLC available (which sadly didnt save the game but gave it a bit longer life and was actually removing all experiennced based items)

Again im really ignorant about the feasibility of those propositions in term of modding tools and copyrights and the energy that people are stll wanting to put into this game.

P.S. on an additional note, Relic original vCOH dev team isnt dead and is currently working on something somethings many of us might wanna jump on at its release

Jump back to quoted post19 Nov 2013, 22:16 PMDanielD

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Jump back to quoted post19 Nov 2013, 16:22 PMTrainzz

Not to mention that part of the game was the strategic decision which of the 3 doctrines to take to counter what the opponent is doing (if necessary). In CoH2, it is more or less luck, whether you have a commander with you that counters the opponents playstyle or commander, since you have to pick 3 out of all available, without knowing what your opponent picked before.



How wrong is what you just said. Tell me, if your opponent have an IS-152 you still dont know what doctrine he choosed? An also when the game starts you can see the faceplate with what commander he choosed to play, so you are able to take the best of your 3 commanders you have choosed and counter his.