The Excessive Amount Of Micro Required For Brummbar

Jump back to quoted post1 Dec 2020, 13:00 PMKatitof

You are not contradicting yourself,

Jump back to quoted post1 Dec 2020, 13:00 PMKatitof

wanting other ammo based barrages to get higher cooldown, ignoring attached muni cost.

Jump back to quoted post1 Dec 2020, 13:00 PMKatitof

And there is zero reason why projectile speed should be increased, its one of the reasons why zis just got its barrage nerfed.

Jump back to quoted post1 Dec 2020, 13:26 PMElpern

Brumbar is actually in a really good spot right now, where it's extremely strong but you stil cant rush it out without too much risk and it's one of the vehicles that makes bp3/t4 desirable instead of sitting on t3 into lategame every match

Jump back to quoted post1 Dec 2020, 13:28 PMVipper

The presupposed changes is not about buffing the unit but making more player friendly. It might even need some AOE nerf after them.

Jump back to quoted post1 Dec 2020, 13:32 PMElaindil

Not going to talk about numbers but how is increasing speed of projectile \ autofire accuracy is not a buff in your book?

Jump back to quoted post1 Dec 2020, 13:46 PMVipper

it is not buff change it is consistency change.

Jump back to quoted post1 Dec 2020, 13:46 PMVipper

When a unit has less the half the projectile speed other similar units like the dozer have it is not buff change it is consistency change. This probably due to oversight than anything else.

As for auto-fire "accuracy" I did not suggest that it should get one. I said that if projectile speed prove to make the unit OP AOE profile could be reduced.

Jump back to quoted post27 Nov 2020, 23:52 PMKatitof

If he was, there wouldn't be a thread crying to buff one of top 3 strongest and easiest to use AI units in whole game.

Jump back to quoted post1 Dec 2020, 13:28 PMVipper

The presupposed changes is not about buffing the unit but making more player friendly. It might even need some AOE nerf after them.

Jump back to quoted post1 Dec 2020, 15:40 PMElpern

Which begs the question... why? It is in a really good spot right now, increasing projectile speed is a clear buff and the brumbar is already very strong, you keep making the comparison to the dozer sherman but objectively the brumbar is already a lot stronger, granted it should be considering it's in bp3 aswell as its a bit more expensive.

Jump back to quoted post1 Dec 2020, 17:16 PMVipper

The reasons are consistency and become more player friendly.

As I have point out there also no reason projectile to be so slow the same way there was no reason for Stuka rocket to have 0 penetration.

As I said the suggestion is not to buff the unit and if the new speed and CD has meaningful impact on the units performance that can be counter weighted by reducing the AOE.

Jump back to quoted post1 Dec 2020, 17:40 PMElaindil

You do realise that 3-1+1 is still 3? Throwing changes around to arrive to the same strength level is completely uselsess.

Jump back to quoted post1 Dec 2020, 17:40 PMElaindil

The unit is completely fine as it is and micro is only required to maximise its effectivness just like with KV-2, ISU, Stug-E, Dozer. You can let them also autofire but by aiming them at clumps of units you also maximize their effectivness.

Jump back to quoted post1 Dec 2020, 17:44 PMVipper

Yet that is what the MOD team decided to do with the Stuka rockets. They increased penetration and decreased AOE penetration.



Pls compare the projectiles speed of "KV-2, ISU, Stug-E, Dozer" with that of Brumbar.

Jump back to quoted post1 Dec 2020, 17:53 PMElaindil

Stuka changes changed its performance against armored targets? Not the same thing at all.


Please ready carefully what I wrote

"You can let them also autofire but by aiming them at clumps of units you also maximize their effectivness"

It's the same situation as Brummbar. The only difference is that other vehicles' autofire is more accurate but you can still manual target for maximum profit.

Jump back to quoted post1 Dec 2020, 18:53 PMVipper

The "only difference" is that all other vehicles have faster projectile.

"Accuracy" and projectile velocity are simply two different issues. Accuracy for these types of weapons has to do with scatter.

Jump back to quoted post1 Dec 2020, 19:02 PMElaindil

Nothing in my post made accuracy or scatter the factor that matters the most. I just said why they don't require as much micro.

Jump back to quoted post1 Dec 2020, 19:02 PMElaindil

Please read one more time what was my point. I'll spell it out for you.

You can micro units mentioned by me (and actually any tank with good AI scatter) just as well as brummbar to maximaze their effectivness. It just so happens that Brummbar gets the most from microing it.

Micro units = get the best out of them. Display skill = get rewarded.

Jump back to quoted post1 Dec 2020, 19:19 PMVipper

Regardless what you have said, scatter is one of the most important factors for these types of weapons, while accuracy one of the least important factors. On the other hand I have no idea why you have brought up accuracy to begin with and I suggest you move along.


What you are saying is simply illogical.

You are presenting disadvantage, the fact the auto fire sucks, as advantage because you "get more" from manual aiming. If that is the case lest lower the projectile speed of all other units so that they can buff all these other units so that can also "maximize their effectiveness" by manual aiming.

Point here is that there is an inconsistency in weapon projectile speed for no reason. It should be fixed if for nothing else for consistency reasons.

Nothing in my post made accuracy or scatter the factor that matters the most. I just said why they don't require as much micro,

the fact the auto fire sucks

You are presenting disadvantage as advantage

Point here is that there is an inconsistency in weapon projectile speed for no reason. It should be fixed if for nothing else for consistency reasons.

Jump back to quoted post1 Dec 2020, 20:10 PMElaindil

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