Recovery sappers salvage

Jump back to quoted post15 Nov 2020, 23:35 PMzerocoh

Aren't the values a little too nerfed? I did some testing and you gain pretty much nothing from the salvages now, a heavy tank like ISU only gives like 10 fuel while most of other vehicles only give 3-5. I wonder why even bother making a special unit anymore, just give the smoke grenade to regular sappers and call it a day.

There's several problems with how it was implemented.


1- You can not salvage abandoned units. This includes vehicles. Therefore you will never get resources out of MGs or Mortars.

2- Teamweapons such as AT guns do leave a wreck, therefore you can salvage them. They give small amount of fuel/muni.
ISG/Pack Howie gives mp.

3- You can't salvage certain bigger support weapons.
You can do so with Soviet Howitzer, but not with B4.
You can't with LeFH, but you can with Pak43 (both OKW and OH).

4- Values were normalised, but you will never get those values out of it. All wrecks start with 50% HP when a unit is killed.

5- While the LeFH is not able to be harvested, it's the one the exception at been at full health.

Jump back to quoted post16 Nov 2020, 00:10 AMelchino7

Overnerfed (due to ambulance cheese) and badly implemented at the end of the day.

From an older post:



If possible i would start by making all wrecks start at 100% HP.

Jump back to quoted post15 Nov 2020, 23:35 PMzerocoh

Aren't the values a little too nerfed? I did some testing and you gain pretty much nothing from the salvages now, a heavy tank like ISU only gives like 10 fuel while most of other vehicles only give 3-5. I wonder why even bother making a special unit anymore, just give the smoke grenade to regular sappers and call it a day.

Jump back to quoted post21 Nov 2020, 03:43 AMCODGUY

Probably. Sappers are about the worst Engineer unit the game has.

Jump back to quoted post16 Nov 2020, 01:00 AMJibberJabberJobber

I tested it for you as well, scavenging an ISU-152 gives you 19 fuel and 24 munitions, which is great.

Also consider Recovery Sappers have:
- Smoke nades.
- Faster repair rate.
- Free sweeper (does make it harder to vet them up in combat).
- Flares over wrecks when called in.

So there's really no issue with them.

Jump back to quoted post21 Nov 2020, 09:38 AMOswaldMosley

Really? I thought with the exception of sturms they were the best nondoc engineerunits.

Jump back to quoted post21 Nov 2020, 13:17 PMLetzte Bataillon

Its a strange and rare doctrine overall. This one and the Advanced Emplacements are the only UKF doctrines I don't have. Recovery sappers, the air drops and a special Forward Assembly that can call in various off maps seem situational at first glance but it could be a lot of fun in team games.



The tooltips give a wildly different picture. It looks like a useful unit in this case.



Indeed, UKF Engineers are great, and equippable with various weapons on top of their AT grenade.

Jump back to quoted post21 Nov 2020, 09:38 AMOswaldMosley

Really? I thought with the exception of sturms they were the best nondoc engineerunits.