And I am telling again that the suggested number will probably make the Maxim more powerful than it was before it was nerfed.
how would a maxim with slightly less suppression than an mg42 or even a vickers be in any way shape or form OP?
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And I am telling again that the suggested number will probably make the Maxim more powerful than it was before it was nerfed.
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how would a maxim with slightly less suppression than an mg42 or even a vickers be in any way shape or form OP?
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If you played the game during maxim spam you would know.
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and it has been buffed in a number of other ways:
i did... the maxim at that era had higher suppression than it had now but that wasnt what made it broken.... it was its low cost of 240mp and its 1.5s setup time....
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and it has been buffed in a number of other ways:
In my last game alone the 2 maxims I used had 1194% efficiency vs double leig. (2vs2).
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none of these stats exceed that of other machineguns though... what changes did u identify exactly that would justify the maxim overperforming when given the suppression of other MGs? in fact it most likely should be worse since the maxim has terrible arc compared to other machineguns of comparable suppression (post buff)
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Man pls start reading more carefully and post less. Also look at buff to suppression maxim had so far.
What I had is this:
" change seem huge at first glance I suggest you test in mod."
With these value combined with all the buffs maxims has given and sustained fire maxim will probably be the best HMG in game.
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the MG42 still has superior suppression superior arc and superior vet 1 abilities... i do not understand what stat you are referring to....
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That is because you are not reading carefully and I can not help you with that.
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i would prefer if you state the exact stat youre referring to instead of making vague comments... one can easily be "vague and mysterious" like a mystic but that proves nothing... what exact stat are you referring to? please identify the change youve mentioned in the patchnotes which could potentially break the maxim if it had the same suppression as a vickers?
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I have provided them they the spoiler in post 204
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Suppression changes:
Suppression reduced from 0.00015909 to 0.00006
Suppression versus light cover from 0.5 to 0.75
Suppression versus heavy cover from 0.1 to 0.2
Suppression vs suppressed targets increased from 0.5 to 0.65
Nearby suppression modifier from 0.8 to 1.25
Nearby suppression radius increased from 10 to 13
1910 Maxim HMG
The Maxim is being slightly adjusted to acquire targets more quickly and deal more suppression.
Suppression from 0.00006 to 0.000065.
Nearby suppression from 1.25 to 1.
Ready-Aim Time to 0.125.
Fire-Aim Time to 0.125.
Fire-Aim Time multipliers standardized to 0.5.
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My first suggestion was to increase the suppression from 0.000065 to 0.0001. The old maxim had a suppression of 0.00015909. This is far far less then what it had initially, and the rate of fire was never increased, only the burst length to compensate for the reduced suppression. If the burst length needs to be shortened, to compensate for the increased suppression value, that's understandable but I already listed how increasing the suppression will effect its suppression speeds. Suppressing in 2.8 seconds isn't exactly good compared to other MGs-in fact its still quite poor.
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Guys, Maxim spam is never coming back. The reason why Maxim spam was so popular were as follows:
Cons were terrible and unreliable while Maxims had the same cost.
Maxim had almost instant setup.
Maxim had much better suppression.
Maxim had a narrow arc, so multiple Maxims were needed anyway to cover an area.
Since then, all of these points have been addressed:
Cons rifles are more consistent, 7-man upgrade.
Maxim received cost and build time increases.
Maxim setup is now 3s, just like all other HMGs.
Maxim's suppression was more than halved.
Maxim's arc was improved to succ less.
Imo, buffing suppression to a middling number, a formation adjustment to reduce deathloop, and then reducing the cost by 10mp to match MG34 would be sufficient.
It would still have longer setup than old spammy Maxim.
It would still have less suppression than old spammy Maxim.
It would still be less competitive with cons than old spammy Maxim.
There's no rational reason to fear a return of Maxim spam with proposed Maxim buffs.
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Guys, Maxim spam is never coming back. The reason why Maxim spam was so popular were as follows:
Cons were terrible and unreliable while Maxims had the same cost.
Maxim had almost instant setup.
Maxim had much better suppression.
Maxim had a narrow arc, so multiple Maxims were needed anyway to cover an area.
Since then, all of these points have been addressed:
Cons rifles are more consistent, 7-man upgrade.
Maxim received cost and build time increases.
Maxim setup is now 3s, just like all other HMGs.
Maxim's suppression was more than halved.
Maxim's arc was improved to succ less.
Imo, buffing suppression to a middling number, a formation adjustment to reduce deathloop, and then reducing the cost by 10mp to match MG34 would be sufficient.
It would still have longer setup than old spammy Maxim.
It would still have less suppression than old spammy Maxim.
It would still be less competitive with cons than old spammy Maxim.
There's no rational reason to fear a return of Maxim spam with proposed Maxim buffs.
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