Pershing blows - USF Heavy Cavalry

Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2020, 15:41 PMOutsider_Sidaroth

The Purrshing used to be a bootleg Heavy but it was extremely lethal to infantry, now it costs more and deals way less consistent damage than 2 HE Shermans, Those two Mediums will do a much better job killing infantry, while having vehicle crews, cheaper smoke than the one HC Commander has and having .50s cals upgrades on top.

I'd just happily remove it from my loadout for another Commander.

Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2020, 14:25 PMHannibal

I think the AoE nerf should be partially reverted. Pershing's specialty was the superior AI power while you needed to heavily support it against armor. Unfortunately the heavy patch really killed the unit and took its uniqueness.
I'd say change the mid AoE to 50, that would up the OHK radius from 0,7 to 1 meter (pre patch 1,3 or so). Might be enough, although OPs suggestions are also not bad balance wise, I'd rather have the Pershing more squishy and closer to the original design. Especially since Axis have problems against units above 300 armor, so increasing the armor would especially cause more issues.

Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2020, 18:11 PMLoopDloop

It's also worth noting that IIRC it has the worst reload out of all the 160 damage heavies (so not counting KT). How it has a worse reload than the 2 stage shell is2 is beyond me but video game.

Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2020, 18:44 PMthedarkarmadillo

I don't recall the values but the Pershing gets its rof doubled at vet 3amd before that can get a 30% reduction iirc through combined arms.

Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2020, 18:17 PMLady Xenarra

While we're at it, the KT's 80dmg aoe kill distance is worse than a pz iv last time I checked: 1.04 vs 1.13. This isn't right, the KT 80 aoe should be larger.

Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2020, 18:44 PMthedarkarmadillo

I don't recall the values but the Pershing gets its rof doubled at vet 3amd before that can get a 30% reduction iirc through combined arms.

Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2020, 19:43 PMProtos Angelus

Pershing is a glorified Comet. It used to be good vs blobs and put fear in enemy infantry but that was offset by the fact that Stug/JP4/Pak can easily scare it away and Panther can 1v1 it easily with superior ROF.

Of all the heavy tanks that were nerfed, Pershing was hit the hardest cause it was never a durable heavy like Tiger or IS2, nor was it fast like the Panther (since it has the durability of a Panther). It was great at AI but that was toned down a lot.

Tiger is still the best heavy tank, even though it was nerfed. It's no longer a one man army like it was before but it's still bread and butter of All-round killer.

Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2020, 19:12 PMHannibal

As Katitof said, this is not true. Also the Pershing has 1 sec of wind down, which will not be affected by vet and comes from a quite slow firing fun anyway (about 7 sec per shot iirc)

Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2020, 19:12 PMHannibal

While this is true, the King Tiger shoots way more accurately. Plus the mid-far AoE is way way better, so overall this 0,1 m OHK difference will definetely not be felt. KT is great at taking health and models off a squad, somewhere in between the Pershing and ISU.

Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2020, 19:49 PMAlphrum

Tiger got hit the hardest with nerfs.

the thing with pershing is, its difficult to fit into usf build as they already have powerful options for AI and AT, if you need anti AI, you some of the best main line inf in the game, HE shermans, pack .50cal etc and if you need AT, you have Jackson, the best tank destroyer in the game. Its just not worth going for it when the other options are more reliable.

if the perishing, had something like alot more HP and could become a meat shield, then i can see it have uses and give something USF does not usually have. it just doesn't bring something USF needs on the table.