wp shoot have 45 range and comet with tank commander have 45 sight. It simply not out range nor out spot Supported AT.
At guns only have a sight of 35. The comet can literally pop a smoke shell off before the AT gun even knows its there.
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wp shoot have 45 range and comet with tank commander have 45 sight. It simply not out range nor out spot Supported AT.
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At guns only have a sight of 35. The comet can literally pop a smoke shell off before the AT gun even knows its there.
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Yes, i did specifically say "supported AT gun". Taking out an isolated AT is nothing special.
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Most infantry have a sight range of 35 too.
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And a quick reminder that ost have an infantry squad with 42 sight range stock.
I think put the infantry in front of the At gun is not something require an insane amount of skill. May be im wrong here.
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OKW on the other hand has't.
And even as OST you don't put your Pioneers in front of your Pak 40s
Since they are still outranged by the Comet you can just force them to retreat. Sure, you might take one or two Pak shots if you are not careful / fast enough, but the probability of both Pak 40 shots penetrating you at this Range is less than 43% so it shouldn't be really an issue ( against double Raketen your odds are even better, here the chance of both shots penetrating is even as low as 38,5 % ; not accounting the probability of the shots missing )
I think one of the Comets problems is certainly its no brainer upgrade which costs only 25 ammo, giving it 45 Sight Range. As far as I know no non doc axis tank, besides the Panther, the Jp4 and the Puma ( all pretty much only AT ), has a sight range of 45 or better, thus not allowing them to outrange infantry. The comet on the other hand ( and a lot of other UKF tanks ) get this ability for a laughably sum of 25 ammo.
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I think one of the Comets problems is certainly its no brainer upgrade which costs only 25 ammo, giving it 45 Sight Range. As far as I know no non doc axis tank, besides the Panther, the Jp4 and the Puma ( all pretty much only AT ), has a sight range of 45 or better, thus not allowing them to outrange infantry. The comet on the other hand ( and a lot of other UKF tanks ) get this ability for a laughably sum of 25 ammo.
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the main point is someone said wp out range AT gun, which is not the case. WP dont out range At and comet dont out spot SUPPORTED AT. IF a comet want to take a wp shoot onto an AT with spoter, it will have to close in and take at least 1 shoot and the risk being snared is present.
I'm pretty sure WP shells have longer range then ATG sight range
And Like you said, i can force the infantry to retreat, but have to take 1-2 pak shoot while, then im too have to fall back to repair. In that case, pak and whatever infantry have just push back a late tech 175 fuel tank, i count that a success.
For ost, if you recrewed pak with pio, the pak have 42 sight.
It is as nobrainer as the top mg upgrade that give you 33% more MG dmg.
Three UK tank have it are cromwell, ff and comet. In the case of cromwell, it is inferior to axis counter part on all other importan stat.
On the comet, event it can see further, it sitll get out range and out last by panther.
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And also costs 10 to 30 fuel less ( also its AI capability seems to be similar if not better to the Panzer 4s main gun and once upgraded it can outrange Infantry ... unlike the counterparts of the axis)
I don't really see a problem with that. Panther is more expensive and pretty much AI only
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I agree with most of what you've said. Only two things to clarify. Unfortunately the cromwell main gun is just worse then either panzer 4 against infantry, it has worse aoe and worse reload, though has the same scatter as the ostheer panzer 4, its worse then the okw P4. In addition, the combined(close range) dps of the Panzer 4 mgs(~28)is a fair bit better then the cromwells(~17). The cromwell fits ok in the British lineup and tech but its capabilities are pretty mediocre apart from its ability to self spot. Its ai is the worst of the generalist mediums.
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The original statement was ( if i am not mistaken )
Which is true
Like I said? I said that you CAN take 1-2 Pak shots if you are not careful / fast enough.
Also would you really have to retreat your Comet in this scenario ? The spotter is forced to retreat so the Paks have no way of seing you, so you can just WP them.
Great. Next time I see a comet I will simply get my pak 40 killed and then recrew it with infantry ...
And how much does it cost again ? Also the Panther needs it to have at least some AI capability. And it isn't even a no brainer for like half the viable OKW commanders. When you have MG 42 you can't have a commander equipped
And also costs 10 to 30 fuel less ( also its AI capability seems to be similar if not better to the Panzer 4s main gun and once upgraded it can outrange Infantry ... unlike the counterparts of the axis)
I don't really see a problem with that. Panther is more expensive and pretty much AI only
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Im pointing out the possibility. And keep at gun not having to recrewed from the stat to comet timing is rare.
My point is the cromwell is a worse (cheaper) tank, so it can have a better upgrade, and the upgrade it self is not game breaking.
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And one thing which also makes be belive that the Commet needs to be tamed down in some way ( not hard, just a little bit ) is the feeling / the fact that I barely see / chose Churchill over Comet. But this ofc could also be based on the Churchill Underperfoming ( which I am 90% sure it is not ) .
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What's the forum's raito now on Allied units asking to be nerfed vs Axis? 90/10?
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