If you really can compare multiple stats simultaneously, you will see that it is not true...
If you actually understood what these stats mean, you wouldn't be saying something THAT stupid.
Team Weapons Survivability
5 Jul 2020, 15:09 PM
#22
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If you actually understood what these stats mean, you wouldn't be saying something THAT stupid.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
5 Jul 2020, 15:13 PM
#23
Posts: 1289
arguing with katitof is the definition of "feeding the troll"
But he is not wrong here.
Out of the early 260isch mp mg's wich mg controls inf movement the best? The mg42 does.
Out of the early mortar wich puts mist presure on team weapons? The ost mortar does.
Out of at guns wich at gun poses the biggest threat to armour (without sinking muni into it)? The pak 40 does.
Achapel is just purpusfully blind to stats and facts. Nothing new here.
5 Jul 2020, 15:36 PM
#24
Posts: 1351
But it is so much better to have an infantry unit to cap early game and build an mg later to support it. All armies can do that with similar results. Ost simply has to do it early game which is a drawback (yet often painted as an advantage).
Stats are so complicated to many of You (including Kat) that he accuses me of not understanding them and at the same time is completely oblivious to how to interpret them! He just cherrypicks one stat and tries to persuade that because of it a unit is better than some other unit of a faction he beleives needs to be buffed. Just sad.
Stats are so complicated to many of You (including Kat) that he accuses me of not understanding them and at the same time is completely oblivious to how to interpret them! He just cherrypicks one stat and tries to persuade that because of it a unit is better than some other unit of a faction he beleives needs to be buffed. Just sad.
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5 Jul 2020, 15:43 PM
#25
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Please stop mental gymnastics, you will only hurt yourself more.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
5 Jul 2020, 15:56 PM
#26
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Please stop mental gymnastics, you will only hurt yourself more.
I wouldn't link any stats if I were U. You've proven may times that you just can't interpret them. Apparently You are only using them in order to support other allied favoring players biased opinions on how OP axis factions are. A load of crap, especially looking at tourney(s) matches. The proof is in the pudding, mate. No matter how you twist it.
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5 Jul 2020, 16:02 PM
#27
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That's.... extremely bold to say for someone who is in absolute denial about stats.
The sole fact that you're spinning around, deflecting and performing constant mental gymnastics about efficiency of ost weapon teams is prove enough for everyone that you have no slightest idea what you are talking about.
The sole fact that you're spinning around, deflecting and performing constant mental gymnastics about efficiency of ost weapon teams is prove enough for everyone that you have no slightest idea what you are talking about.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
5 Jul 2020, 20:07 PM
#28
Posts: 1351
I'm sorry to say this. It is You who have been derailing balnance forum since times immemorial.
The stats You keep quoting are absolutely cherry-picked. You ignore a simple fact that units' performance is a combination of dozens of stats and You have absolutely no clue as to how to use them.
Team weapons survivability is just another example. You are completely unaware of how much difference there is between ost team weapons survivability and Your favourite Soviets. It is just insane how much you are biased and not helping the game to be actually balanced.
The stats You keep quoting are absolutely cherry-picked. You ignore a simple fact that units' performance is a combination of dozens of stats and You have absolutely no clue as to how to use them.
Team weapons survivability is just another example. You are completely unaware of how much difference there is between ost team weapons survivability and Your favourite Soviets. It is just insane how much you are biased and not helping the game to be actually balanced.
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5 Jul 2020, 21:13 PM
#29
Posts: 930
when it comes to crew survivability, id say 50 cal must be the worst.
thats because .50 cal still has that odd mechanic where team weapons move slower on yellow cover like ZiS and usf AT used to have, and I reported this shit like a million times to the balance team and they don't seem to care.
5 Jul 2020, 21:23 PM
#30
Posts: 249
Can anybody explain why people keep repeating that ost has the best team weapons? I don't get that.
Because those are supposed to compensate for the lack of power that Grenadiers provide.
So yes, they are supposed to be better. And they do have a little bit of an edge over most other weapon teams.
5 Jul 2020, 21:27 PM
#31
Posts: 600
Because those are supposed to compensate for the lack of power that Grenadiers provide.
So yes, they are supposed to be better. And they do have a little bit of an edge over most other weapon teams.
grenadiers are not supposed to be shit. its quite the opposite so pls stop making this argument.
5 Jul 2020, 21:31 PM
#32
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grenadiers are not supposed to be shit. its quite the opposite so pls stop making this argument.
Grenadiers are not shit, but if you expect them to go up against double bren rifles or double lmg 5 man tommies, you're nothing but utterly delusional, it would be like expecting 1 T34/85 to go up against Tiger without support and then crying a river how bad it is if it can't beat it or put equal fight 1 on 1. Now add SU-85 to the mix and see how it goes.
Exactly the same thing applies to grens.
If you won't support them with other units, they will feel bad, because the faction is NOT DESIGNED with them being independent, that's what 5 man doc is for, but it'll never be a stock quirk. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if 5 man grens were nerfed with next patch for how they have dominated meta - this is how it ended up with any doctrinal unit or upgrade that dominated meta.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
5 Jul 2020, 21:39 PM
#33
Posts: 600
sry wrong thread
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