US Pak Howitzer Is Out Of Control

Jump back to quoted post25 Jun 2020, 19:26 PMKatitof

Will you stop ignoring the fact that this particular indirect fire is also much more expensive and arrives much later then anything else?

Expensive units that arrive later perform better then cheap early game units.
In case you don't know, this is why Obers beat conscripts.

Jump back to quoted post25 Jun 2020, 20:00 PMachpawel

Why do you write such obvious things?

Jump back to quoted post25 Jun 2020, 19:10 PMachpawel

...but the lethality of indirect fire that is just much higher than that of other indirect fire units can br changed.

Jump back to quoted post25 Jun 2020, 20:07 PMKatitof

Most evidently you do not understand why pack howi lethality is higher, so someone needs to tell you this.

Jump back to quoted post25 Jun 2020, 20:08 PMachpawel

Because it is used against 4 model infantry and 4 men support weapons?

Jump back to quoted post25 Jun 2020, 20:08 PMachpawel

Because it is used against 4 model infantry and 4 men support weapons?

Jump back to quoted post26 Jun 2020, 13:37 PMKatitof

So is walking stuka.
And it doesn't care if its 4 man or 6 man squad, it wipes everything equally.

More expensive units that arrive later are stronger.
Accept that and learn to not stand in 1 place for 30 seconds when you're being barraged.

@thekingsown10 that's might to say from someone who believes combat engineers are op, I also find it quite ironic that this belief is what you have in common with achpawel.

Jump back to quoted post26 Jun 2020, 13:37 PMKatitof

So is walking stuka.

Jump back to quoted post26 Jun 2020, 13:37 PMKatitof

So is walking stuka.
And it doesn't care if its 4 man or 6 man squad, it wipes everything equally with pinpoint accuracy.
How come you never complain about that?

More expensive units that arrive later are stronger.
Accept that and learn to not stand in 1 place for 30 seconds when you're being barraged.

@thekingsown10 that's might to say from someone who believes combat engineers are op, I also find it quite ironic that this belief is what you have in common with achpawel.

Jump back to quoted post26 Jun 2020, 15:32 PMWiderstreit

- It is more easy to hunt down a StuKa-zu-Fuß than the Howitzer, Howitzer can be remaned.
- Howitzer often double-shots a support-crew, same StuKa-zu-Fuß. BUT Stuka-zu-Fuß often only killes 2-3 men of a crew per shot, which means waiting for cool-down. Howitzer is cheaper and does even that job better for what it is. (same problem is the Katjusha/Panzerwerfer paradox).

It is funny to see, how often you try to defend broken mechanics. (edit: it doesn't depends on the fraction, fan-boy free talk. But it seems you don't get it)

Start mod-tools, replace leIG18 with Howitzer and start playing. Fun-fact, you are able to neutralize the popular HMG/AT-gun combo with ease.

Jump back to quoted post26 Jun 2020, 17:10 PMT.R. Stormjäger

So the stuka makes team weapons useless, allowing them to overperform, but the CalliOP is totally okay.

Comedy

Jump back to quoted post25 Jun 2020, 20:08 PMachpawel

Because it is used against 4 model infantry and 4 men support weapons?

Jump back to quoted post26 Jun 2020, 17:10 PMT.R. Stormjäger

So the stuka makes team weapons useless, allowing them to overperform, but the CalliOP is totally okay.

Comedy

Jump back to quoted post27 Jun 2020, 18:57 PMOnimusha

How can i deal with an advanced OKW hq with mgs and leigs, if you nerf pak howi? Do I lose the match while I'm waiting for the calliope or priest? USF has no rocket arty.

Jump back to quoted post27 Jun 2020, 18:57 PMOnimusha

How can i deal with an advanced OKW hq with mgs and leigs, if you nerf pak howi? Do I lose the match while I'm waiting for the calliope or priest? USF has no rocket arty.

Jump back to quoted post26 Jun 2020, 16:04 PMSuperHansFan

Lol no chance, the Pak howi is a team weapon and all team weapons are safely wiped at range by rocket arty. Building a Pak howi when a stuka is on the field is just throwing away manpower.

Killing a stuka or Katy etc you can only really base dive with a medium tank, which usually means the loss of said vehicle even if you don't find their arty. Why you think this is easier to counter is beyond me.

Jump back to quoted post30 Jun 2020, 09:08 AMWiderstreit

Sry, wasn't online for some days.

The problem is, that Pack-Howitzer can 1-2 shot a PaK40 etc. without RNG, so it is as effective as StuKa-zu-Fuß doing that.

It would be ok if Howitzer lose auto-fire.

Also leIG18 has to be changed too.