Tommy shouldn't have received the moving accuracy buff

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2020, 10:47 AMthedarkarmadillo

I am also not a fan of the moving accuracy change as it saps more diversity away. I think they should have looked into diversifying the upgrade paths and found a way to adjust Tommie chase potential in that way (5 man squad removes penalty like recon upgrade did in cohf for example) and looked at volks hardcounteirng the entire Brit t0 after okw places their first truck so they could play for more than the first minute with the cover penalty.

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2020, 10:50 AMblvckdream

OKW doesn't counter the entire Brit T0. It's the UKF T0 countering Volksgrenadiers with Sections, MG and UC. Not sure what you are on about thinking Volksgrenadiers counter UKF T0?

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2020, 10:53 AMT.R. Stormjäger

The out of cover/in cover crap needs to end, the design has clearly failed. They need to turn sections into normal infantry.

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2020, 10:58 AMA table

Would you mind explaining how the cover bonus has failed?

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2020, 10:56 AMthedarkarmadillo

T?0 units include 2 units that need to be in cover to work effectively and 1 vehicle fighting a cheaper unit that can deny cover and snare vehicles....

Its not Brummbär vs shocks level of counter but its "if rng willeth ye be fucked" counter.
Your Tommie don't burst down a model giving them the best chance of fighting down volks? Get out of that cover and try and find some new cover or torch.
Vickers did as vickers does and DOES burst down a model but doesn't suppress? Pack up, run home because it ain't fighting anymore...
Uc ziged when you told it to zag because of wonky pathfinding? Crawl back home!

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2020, 10:59 AMT.R. Stormjäger

It has failed because it's impossible to balance.

You either get the previous patch Sections which are OP in cover and trash out of cover and the faction is UP, or the current patch sections which are OP in cover and good out of cover and the faction is OP.

Just turn them into normal infantry and properly balance them, everyone will be happy to see that.

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2020, 11:03 AMblvckdream

Relic won't allow that

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2020, 11:03 AMblvckdream

Claiming current UKF is OP after the last tournaments is complete BS

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2020, 10:59 AMT.R. Stormjäger

It has failed because it's impossible to balance.

You either get the previous patch Sections which are OP in cover and trash out of cover and the faction is UP, or the current patch sections which are OP in cover and good out of cover and the faction is OP.

Just turn them into normal infantry and properly balance them, everyone will be happy to see that.

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2020, 11:08 AMVipper

Tommies cover bonus can be salvaged and it is not the cause of problem, it work for ostruppen for instance.

The rout of problem lies more to all the nobrainer upgrade tommies have available to them like bolster/medic/pyro weapon upgrades.

UKF would become allot more easier to balance if this buffes become side-grades instead of upgrade.

For instance:
Bolster becomes a individual upgrade taking up a weapons while tommies have cost reduce to 260
Pyro becomes an upgrade giving scope Enfields and taking up all slot while removing cover mechanism
Medic upgrade replace one entity with medic armed with a pistol
and so on

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2020, 11:06 AMT.R. Stormjäger

that's your opinion

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2020, 11:10 AMblvckdream

No it's a reasonable statement

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2020, 11:10 AMT.R. Stormjäger

I refrain from suggesting such changes because I've been told Relic is very clear on not making big changes to UKF, so I focus more on small changes like removing the cover bonus. Not saying your idea is wrong, just probably not allowed to be implemented by Relic.

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2020, 11:08 AMVipper

Tommies cover bonus can be salvaged and it is not the cause of problem, it work for ostruppen for instance.

The rout of problem lies more to all the nobrainer upgrade tommies have available to them like bolster/medic/pyro weapon upgrades.

UKF would become allot more easier to balance if this buffes become side-grades instead of upgrade.

For instance:
Bolster becomes a individual upgrade taking up a weapons while tommies have cost reduce to 260
Pyro becomes an upgrade giving scope Enfields and taking up all slot while removing cover mechanism
Medic upgrade replace one entity with medic armed with a pistol
and so on

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2020, 11:00 AMblvckdream

So confused as to what you are even trying to say.

I think you live in a fantasy world if you think Volksgrenadiers counter UKF T0 units but I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2020, 12:01 PMSupport Sapper

prety much this, but i will give the medic model a weak rifle instead, for the cosmetic feelling. Also, i'll want another upgrade forcus in bren section, like a nondrop bren can fire on the move

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2020, 12:12 PMVipper

Bren long accuracy is too good to be fired on the move but there is another option.

Bren can be redesigned to be more like the BAR and be fired on the move while vicker-K could become stock and limited to 4 men squad only.