Troop training feedback

Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2013, 17:07 PMwuff

Hey,

My thoughts on troop training ability in the elite troops doctrine.

I feel this ability completely counters and breaks one of the core gameplay loops in COH2, it feels completely out of place.

Obtaining vet units is one of the primary goals in a MP match but with this new ability that system is now sidelined for a German player and reduces a fun and challenging element of MP.

This ability is far too powerful in a winning players hands, if a player has map control they can vet up their units and replace destroyed vet units so quickly that a chance of a comeback for a soviet player is very low. Natural turning points in games are now removed because of the ability to replace vet units so quickly.

It is especially horrid in 2v2,3v3,4v4 games where resources are far more abundant.

IMO this ability should be removed or be based on a units build cost, say 20%.

/end rant

Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2013, 17:42 PMNullist

For 20 fuel, its valid.

The cost is so severly crippling to teching and eventual armor.
Vet isnt that great anymore. 20 fuel however is a severe setback.

A single Maxim will deal with Vet infantry, as will they die just as fast to a mortar, as will a sniper vet even faster by depleting an even more expensive unit. Basically that Vet doesnt do jack shit for you except against infantry in a vacuum. It doesnt help you one bit vs anything else except small arms combat.

Yes, a single unit may be more effective, but at 20 fuel, its a bitter cost that bites you back, hard, as the game progresses.

Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2013, 17:42 PMNullist

For 20 fuel, its valid.

The cost is so severly crippling to teching and eventual armor.
Vet isnt that great anymore. 20 fuel however is a severe setback.

A single Maxim will deal with Vet infantry, as will they die just as fast to a mortar, as will a sniper vet even faster by depleting an even more expensive unit. Basically that Vet doesnt do jack shit for you except against infantry in a vacuum. It doesnt help you one bit vs anything else except small arms combat.

Yes, a single unit may be more effective, but at 20 fuel, its a bitter cost that bites you back, hard, as the game progresses.

Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2013, 18:22 PMwuff

Late game is where it is most broken, not early.

Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2013, 17:07 PMwuff

Hey,

My thoughts on troop training ability in the elite troops doctrine.

I feel this ability completely counters and breaks one of the core gameplay loops in COH2, it feels completely out of place.

Obtaining vet units is one of the primary goals in a MP match but with this new ability that system is now sidelined for a German player and reduces a fun and challenging element of MP.

This ability is far too powerful in a winning players hands, if a player has map control they can vet up their units and replace destroyed vet units so quickly that a chance of a comeback for a soviet player is very low. Natural turning points in games are now removed because of the ability to replace vet units so quickly.

It is especially horrid in 2v2,3v3,4v4 games where resources are far more abundant.

IMO this ability should be removed or be based on a units build cost, say 20%.

/end rant

Jump back to quoted post14 Nov 2013, 00:59 AMVonMecha

....strong against 2 conscripts maybe.. but slaughter?..hyperbole much? Blitz is end all be all ability?

If what you say were true I would never lose.......Nor anyone with vet 3 grens or a vet 1 tank

Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2013, 17:42 PMNullist

For 20 fuel, its valid.

The cost is so severly crippling to teching and eventual armor.
Vet isnt that great anymore. 20 fuel however is a severe setback.

A single Maxim will deal with Vet infantry, as will they die just as fast to a mortar, as will a sniper vet even faster by depleting an even more expensive unit. Basically that Vet doesnt do jack shit for you except against infantry in a vacuum. It doesnt help you one bit vs anything else except small arms combat.

Yes, a single unit may be more effective, but at 20 fuel, its a bitter cost that bites you back, hard, as the game progresses.

Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2013, 17:42 PMNullist

For 20 fuel, its valid.

The cost is so severly crippling to teching and eventual armor.
Vet isnt that great anymore. 20 fuel however is a severe setback.

A single Maxim will deal with Vet infantry, as will they die just as fast to a mortar, as will a sniper vet even faster by depleting an even more expensive unit. Basically that Vet doesnt do jack shit for you except against infantry in a vacuum. It doesnt help you one bit vs anything else except small arms combat.

Yes, a single unit may be more effective, but at 20 fuel, its a bitter cost that bites you back, hard, as the game progresses.

Jump back to quoted post14 Nov 2013, 05:25 AMNullist

Link0: Sounds like it could perhaps use an increase to atleast CP1 then, to avoid extreme early game fuel leveraging. Vetted Pio spam just occured to memas an idea, but I think thatnkind ofnfuel expenditure would cripple teching severly.

As to the match you cite, Id have to see it to comment, but T2 seems to be a solution with Maxim or Sniper, presuming you can maintain enough fuel control to tech, which Id think you can owing to the Ost player dumping esrly fuel into infantry rather than tech.