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Is Tiger Ace too good for it's costs?

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Is Tiger Ace too 'cheap'
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mrgame2
16 Apr 2020, 04:31 AM
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Ok, last topic was not politically correct.
But the point is, regular Tigers need 12CP, TA needs 14CP (Or 13CP?). Building a T4 structure is now positive for Ost, so no problem for TA.

How many CP does Elefant and JT needs? :S
These 2 super heavy TD pales to TA in most maps except those super laney ones.

Does the 2 additional CP of TA over Tiger, enough to compensate for TA as an oppressive unit, and found in 2 good doctrines choices?

It already starts at vet1, and how many XP it needs to gain the insane rof bonus?

At least make it CP to 16?
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Jilet
16 Apr 2020, 08:53 AM
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Tiger Ace can even be called slightly UP for its timing and cost (just like KT) but can not be called OP. Just stop making troll threads you confused man.
Grens are finally good.
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dasheepeh
16 Apr 2020, 09:15 AM
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Grim
16 Apr 2020, 09:22 AM
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No issues with the Tiger ace as if you don't have sufficient AT by that stage in the game it was going to likely be a loss anyway.
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T.R. Stormjäger
16 Apr 2020, 09:43 AM
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Yeah 14CP ISU152 and 16CP Tiger Ace. 10000 IQ.
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mrgame2
16 Apr 2020, 09:45 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Apr 2020, 08:53 AMJilet
Tiger Ace can even be called slightly UP for its timing and cost (just like KT) but can not be called OP. Just stop making troll threads you confused man.


Nope.

Have you played recent 4v4 team games?
I seen more TA than Tigers and KT. And with OKW Tiger Commander getting scaled back, its all TA meta.
I guess Axis players know TA is worth more value to wait out the extra 2CP.
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mrgame2
16 Apr 2020, 09:48 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Apr 2020, 09:43 AMT.R. Stormjäger
Yeah 14CP ISU152 and 16CP Tiger Ace. 10000 IQ.


I agree that ISU152 is better than Elefant. Because ISU152 is too fast!

But TA is better than both.
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Lady Xenarra
16 Apr 2020, 09:54 AM
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Tiger Ass is fine. The old vet III version was stupidly broken to fight against but that's been fixed ages ago. Still only 300 armour and ez pen target for allied TDs and AT guns.

Wouldn't say no to KT/TA buffs though. It comes in so late....
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Farlon
16 Apr 2020, 10:45 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Apr 2020, 09:43 AMT.R. Stormjäger
Yeah 14CP ISU152 and 16CP Tiger Ace. 10000 IQ.

Isn't TA 13CP?
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T.R. Stormjäger
16 Apr 2020, 11:04 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Apr 2020, 10:45 AMFarlon

Isn't TA 13CP?


No he’s saying he wants it at 16 CP as a nerf.
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Lady Xenarra
16 Apr 2020, 11:32 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Apr 2020, 10:45 AMFarlon

Isn't TA 13CP?

Tiger Ass is 13 CP yes.
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mrgame2
16 Apr 2020, 12:57 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Apr 2020, 11:32 AMLady Xenarra

Tiger Ass is 13 CP yes.


jump backJump back to quoted post16 Apr 2020, 10:45 AMFarlon

Isn't TA 13CP?



What? I thought TA is 14CP per Vipper.

At 13CP, it makes it even MORE OP! Oh dear.

Tigers went from 9 to 12.
TA was spared i guess!
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Lady Xenarra
16 Apr 2020, 13:35 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Apr 2020, 12:57 PMmrgame2





What? I thought TA is 14CP per Vipper.

At 13CP, it makes it even MORE OP! Oh dear.

Tigers went from 9 to 12.
TA was spared i guess!

Tiger Ass went from 10 iirc to 13 as it is now. Quit trolling mon, it's not working.
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mrgame2
16 Apr 2020, 16:47 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Apr 2020, 13:35 PMLady Xenarra

Tiger Ass went from 10 iirc to 13 as it is now. Quit trolling mon, it's not working.


I dont remember seeing that in wbp notes?

Even so, 12 vs 13. No brainer to use TA doctrine.
Have you played 4v4 this year? So many TA and OKW Commander Tiger

Now that CT is reduced, time to work on TA!

At least 15CP. TA is much better than regular Tiger
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KiwiBirb
16 Apr 2020, 16:47 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Apr 2020, 12:57 PMmrgame2





What? I thought TA is 14CP per Vipper.

At 13CP, it makes it even MORE OP! Oh dear.

Tigers went from 9 to 12.
TA was spared i guess!



If you were basing your arguments on ACTUAL IN GAME EXPERIENCE, learning that it comes at 13cp vs 14cp would not change how OP it is, as it was coming at 13 cp in game.
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mrgame2
16 Apr 2020, 16:54 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Apr 2020, 16:47 PMKiwiBirb



If you were basing your arguments on ACTUAL IN GAME EXPERIENCE, learning that it comes at 13cp vs 14cp would not change how OP it is, as it was coming at 13 cp in game.


I only refer to coh2db when i need to see stats. They dont show CP. :(

My ingame experience tells me TA is too cost effective. Almost 2/4 ost players will field TA consistently.
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SkysTheLimit
17 Apr 2020, 01:06 AM
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It costs 800mp and 250 fuel. Its a really good unit but "too cheap" is the last thing I would say about it...
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mrgame2
17 Apr 2020, 01:14 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post17 Apr 2020, 01:06 AMSkysTheLimit
It costs 800mp and 250 fuel. Its a really good unit but "too cheap" is the last thing I would say about it...



no problem in 4v4. Just stall out with double stugs if you need AT!

It is too cheap compare to regular Tigers. TA >> IS2 > Tiger
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Grumpy
17 Apr 2020, 16:45 PM
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I voted no. Is there some version or mode of the game where this unit is a problem?
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Sumi
17 Apr 2020, 17:12 PM
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This forum is full of Axis biased players so need to ask for Axis nerfs or you will get trolled, spammed. The ROF on vet 3 TA is retarded for any armored unit but don't think it will be nerfed coz the amount of wehraboos is too damn much!
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