Pack Howie
13 Apr 2020, 15:38 PM
#121
Posts: 359
I swear to god, if balance team nerfs Pak Howie because axis players are too stupid to counter it, I'm gonna go super saiyan.
Panzer tactician is no different than a skill shot. Hardly a "Free" get out of jail card.
13 Apr 2020, 15:40 PM
#122
Posts: 833
the autofire is not really any good anymore so I don't understand the rage.
Yes it can decrew your pakwall from 80 range, but if you ask me all support weapons should be able to clear an ATG or MG crew in one manual barrage. The most frustrating thing in the game is using a mortar or 120mm and an MG surviving an entire barrage with one or two model losses.
If someone is dumb enough to leave a support weapon under barrage it should die nine times out of ten, prefferably around the third shell. Right now mortars are pretty useless vs anything but buildings after the great indirect nerf.
Yes I'm going to say it the mortar and ISG nerfs were a mistake. Buff the AOE of all indirect barrages and make the vet increase RoF.
Yes it can decrew your pakwall from 80 range, but if you ask me all support weapons should be able to clear an ATG or MG crew in one manual barrage. The most frustrating thing in the game is using a mortar or 120mm and an MG surviving an entire barrage with one or two model losses.
If someone is dumb enough to leave a support weapon under barrage it should die nine times out of ten, prefferably around the third shell. Right now mortars are pretty useless vs anything but buildings after the great indirect nerf.
Yes I'm going to say it the mortar and ISG nerfs were a mistake. Buff the AOE of all indirect barrages and make the vet increase RoF.
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13 Apr 2020, 18:41 PM
#123
Posts: 320
Yes I'm going to say it the mortar and ISG nerfs were a mistake. Buff the AOE of all indirect barrages and make the vet increase RoF.
ISG nerfs were not a mistake, it requires 0 input to always pinpoint squad with autofire while sitting in safety of converted trucks. It shits on soviet or any other mortar while hardly any more expensive. More indirect fire weapons should be like current pak howie that is shit with autofire but actually rly good with manual barrage, this way the weapon scales with player micro.
13 Apr 2020, 19:07 PM
#124
Posts: 359
ISG nerfs were not a mistake, it requires 0 input to always pinpoint squad with autofire while sitting in safety of converted trucks. It shits on soviet or any other mortar while hardly any more expensive. More indirect fire weapons should be like current pak howie that is shit with autofire but actually rly good with manual barrage, this way the weapon scales with player micro.
Pak Howies weakness isn't that its weak with autofire, it's that it isn't very mobile and dies extremely quick to literally anything. decrews with 2 men and starts with 5. One well placed shell after some small arms fire wipes it.
Panzer tactician is no different than a skill shot. Hardly a "Free" get out of jail card.
13 Apr 2020, 19:46 PM
#125
Posts: 155
I would advise anyone voting no to play Axis a few games and then think about it again, because I did, but then I decided to see what the fuss was about and play some Axis and I really understand why it's problematic right now. Wipe potential is far too high. I just don't know what you would do to nerf it exactly, maybe more spread or something.
14 Apr 2020, 06:40 AM
#126
Posts: 1794
wipe potential is only high if you play gardening and stay still with your weapon teams.
try move around, reposition immediately when spotted, play more mobile. dont be another lazy axis player stalling for OP heavies while bunker spamming.
try move around, reposition immediately when spotted, play more mobile. dont be another lazy axis player stalling for OP heavies while bunker spamming.
14 Apr 2020, 07:48 AM
#127
Posts: 129
wipe potential is only high if you play gardening and stay still with your weapon teams.
try move around, reposition immediately when spotted, play more mobile. dont be another lazy axis player stalling for OP heavies while bunker spamming.
*cries as a pack howie shell scatters and hits your moving squad dead center*
14 Apr 2020, 08:11 AM
#128
Posts: 214
wipe potential is only high if you play gardening and stay still with your weapon teams.
try move around, reposition immediately when spotted, play more mobile. dont be another lazy axis player stalling for OP heavies while bunker spamming.
sees rilfes walk to u.... reposition MG cause of pack howie(and tactic experts in the forum say so) rifle wipes MG... aaaand steal it.
M34/42 is not a Maxim.
14 Apr 2020, 08:38 AM
#129
Posts: 1794
sees rilfes walk to u.... reposition MG cause of pack howie(and tactic experts in the forum say so) rifle wipes MG... aaaand steal it.
M34/42 is not a Maxim.
use you pioneer to spot. anticipate which sides the rifles usually approach. cover openings with grens or pgren.
pack howie is an expensive mid term unit. usf making it will leave more holes in their infantry numbers.
shrug. its a l2p thing. l2p meaning spend more time to familiarise your maps.
14 Apr 2020, 11:17 AM
#130
Posts: 214
use you pioneer to spot. anticipate which sides the rifles usually approach. cover openings with grens or pgren.
pack howie is an expensive mid term unit. usf making it will leave more holes in their infantry numbers.
shrug. its a l2p thing. l2p meaning spend more time to familiarise your maps.
or just nrev that beast and bring it in line with over indy fire otpions
14 Apr 2020, 11:30 AM
#131
Posts: 17914 | Subs: 8
or just nrev that beast and bring it in line with over indy fire otpions
The only other non early game artillery units are stuka, katy and pwerfer.
Pack howi doesn't exactly cost 240mp either.
Biggest "problem" and rather unpopular opinion is - it is in line with other indirect fire options for its cost and timing.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
14 Apr 2020, 11:37 AM
#132
Posts: 13496 | Subs: 1
Pack howizter is an early option and superior to both 120mm mortar and the leig that are units closer to it.
14 Apr 2020, 12:26 PM
#133
Posts: 25
Yes - the damage is too great. Not necessairly the AoE. Reducing the damage wouldn't be too much of a nerf and since the only big emplacement problems for USF is the OKW Flaktruck and Pak 43s behind buildings, which are extremely situational, but it wouldnt be such canc
14 Apr 2020, 12:31 PM
#134
Posts: 1351
Pak Howi is a completely broken unit. Who at Lelic designed this unit to fight OST 4men squads? send him to the gulag.
I often use it to kill stukas.
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14 Apr 2020, 12:31 PM
#135
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Yes - the damage is too great. Not necessairly the AoE. Reducing the damage wouldn't be too much of a nerf
It actually would, because it does the exact same 80 damage any other small indirect unit does.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
14 Apr 2020, 12:43 PM
#136
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AT vet 2 Pak howitzer does 160 damage with the barrage while having 300 penetration.
14 Apr 2020, 12:48 PM
#137
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AT vet 2 Pak howitzer does 160 damage with the barrage while having 300 penetration.
And yet, not a single complaint ever mentioned barrage, every single one is about auto attack.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
14 Apr 2020, 12:55 PM
#138
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And yet, not a single complaint ever mentioned barrage, every single one is about auto attack.
How many other small indirect unit can do the exact same 160 damage/300 penetration the Pack's howitzers "heat barrage" does?
14 Apr 2020, 12:56 PM
#139
Posts: 466
countering the pak howie as ostheer is where the problems comes.
its easy and okw to just get a stuka but as ost what do you do?
you cant stall till t4 for a shitty werfer.
try counter it with two Granatwerfers. once the pak howie is vetted just spam white phosphorus and park your ambulance there EZ.
its easy and okw to just get a stuka but as ost what do you do?
you cant stall till t4 for a shitty werfer.
try counter it with two Granatwerfers. once the pak howie is vetted just spam white phosphorus and park your ambulance there EZ.
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14 Apr 2020, 12:56 PM
#140
Posts: 1351
I use it often from a doctine when you get it with a squad of paras. Maybe that is the problem because I don't have to tech for it. I just get a great weapon together with paras. I almost feel how axis suffer then and it won me a few games by finishing off units that were about to retreat. I would advise to make its shells maybe work a bit like phosporous. To basically drain hp but it should be mainline ground units that should finish off the models. The player should be forced to retreat or reposition rather than die from those 2 shots.
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