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Commanderwise, probably expect even more use of heavy tank doctrines. Mobidef created the heavy stalling meta in the first place because it was the best counter to it.
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Heavy tank meta was here before mobile defense got popular. Mobile Defense was a 1v1 thing only anyway and 2v2 has a heavy tank meta since I can remember so I really don't think the two are connected.
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Back in 2015/2016 I used to make well-intentioned jokes about forum posts by then-fanboys like Katitof and Dane. Well, it's 2020 and I agree with every single word typed by the former in this thread. You have Fausts, Pak and Tellers, which is more than enough to at least bridge the gap to Puma, or even deal with the T-70 on their own.
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The problem with the Puma is that it's a game changer. Fausts, Tellers and Paks can hold off a T-70, but they can't chase it down and secure the kill unless the opponent makes a mistake.
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It stuns me how the balance team are blatantly ignoring the lessons of the past.
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Only question is vs which opponents/commanders and on which maps you employ this.
We're not ignoring anything. We're well aware that the Puma change might bring back the MobiDef meta. But given the changes to the Command P4 as well as giving the Puma a build timer, we'd like to give the Puma another chance because it's a shame that this unique unit never sees any use anymore. And in the poll, 85% of those who voted wanted the Puma in MobiDef to return in some form or another.
Sometimes balancing the game is to take a gamble and see how things turn out, and we're willing to take this one because it can easily be reverted if it backfires.
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But given the changes to the Command P4 as well as giving the Puma a build timer, we'd like to give the Puma another chance because it's a shame that this unique unit never sees any use anymore.
Without a techless AI tank as a follow-up, and with a build timer added to the Puma so it can't be used reactively, as well as big shifts in meta (for example, the return of Conscripts), I think it's at least worth trying.
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The problem with the Puma is that it's a game changer. Fausts, Tellers and Paks can hold off a T-70, but they can't chase it down and secure the kill unless the opponent makes a mistake..
People have brought the T70 as a topic because in the last years, the AEC and Stuart AI has been nerfed to no longer represent a dangerous threat which more or less fixed the issue.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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I'm quite positive teller secures the kill very well.
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I must've missed the patch where Tellers move.
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I must've missed the patch where Tellers move.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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You're supposed to put them lil bit further then base sector entrance to work.
Ask VonIvan or literally anyone what is "baiting for mines" and how to do it.
Hell, watch literally any tournament, its omnipresent maneuver.
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No need for base entrances, just put them in road junctions and watch the fireworks.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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This actually makes me die inside a bit every single time I see it happen.
I mean, roads are so obvious choices, yet people constantly drive over them without sweeping.
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You do all get why the Puma was a problem, right?
You're providing Ostheer with a tool they're designed and balanced around not having access to.
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AEC is AT specialist, it never deserved to have high AI.
Stuart is supposed to be generalist, good vs inf and good vs vehicles, not nowhere near dedicated vehicles like Puma or Luchs/T-70.
T-70 is AI specialist that needs 30 seconds of constant shooting to kill 222.
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Ass grens dont wreck anything if you "anticipate" them, and they are far worse then grens as closing distance causes a lot of health loss and up to 2 models being lost, especially against brits and americans.
Both are shock units that if not anticipated will easily force you off the field.
Same with flame 251, same with M15.
And if I'm picking shoucks to counter ass grens, shouldn't shocks arrive earlier, before ass grens wreck the place?
I know you are valiant allies defender and think that axis are overpowered ,but with this attitude you will get nowhere.
Sometimes gren blob into tiger just won't work.
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Concerning puma I would say moving it to t3 build will be a fine idea, or decrease cp requirement to 4Ass grens dont wreck anything if you "anticipate" them, and they are far worse then grens as closing distance causes a lot of health loss and up to 2 models being lost, especially against brits and americans.
I know you are valiant allies defender and think that axis are overpowered ,but with this attitude you will get nowhere.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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You've completely missed the point I was making. Shock units have short window of opportunity, if their hardcounters arrive too soon, they are either removed from the game or in need of a buff - do you want to have early puma at potential cost of even stronger T-70? Because its very unlikely it'll keep getting nerfed.
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