A redesign of Sherman

Jump back to quoted post26 Feb 2020, 23:40 PMMazianni

How do you go from implying USF has tons of AT options for dealing with the Panzer IV to there only being the M36?

A M4A3 with support from ATGs or bazookas can deal with a Panzer IV adequately enough, and as it is the close range penetration of the M4A3 is fine versus the Ostheer Panzer IV (fun fact, the M4A3 AP shots have more close range penetration than the 76mm AP profile proposed here) With veterancy things become more difficult, sure, but overall IMO the Panzer IV is not so much a reason for the M36 to be so powerful as is the Panther, which the M4A3 is hopelessly inadequate against.

Jump back to quoted post26 Feb 2020, 23:40 PMMazianni

Ironically this proposal doesn't actually meet this requirement anyway as this new 76mm Sherman would do terribly versus the OKW Panzer IV or vet 2 Ostheer Panzer IV. The only major change is that in this world the USF roster has lost a major AI tool and generalist in the M4A3.

Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2020, 06:08 AMSuperHansFan

The 76 got a really cool redesign with the HVAP trade off, same with dozer blades and you want to throw all those hours of mod team work out the window.

Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2020, 06:08 AMSuperHansFan

Vipper maybe you should make your own mod with all these extensive redesigns to royal engineers, gammon bombs and removing abilities from Shermans. It will be very popular I can assure you

Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2020, 09:02 AMVipper

All the Sherman variant are great, yet many of them see little action simply because the M4A3/M36 combo is too cost efficient.

Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2020, 06:08 AMSuperHansFan

The 76 got a really cool redesign with the HVAP trade off, same with dozer blades and you want to throw all those hours of mod team work out the window.

Vipper maybe you should make your own mod with all these extensive redesigns to royal engineers, gammon bombs and removing abilities from Shermans. It will be very popular I can assure you

Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2020, 09:25 AMEsxile

Because they are great on paper only. Ez8 is a great tank on paper but completely shut down by Panther and Jpz4 for OKW and panther for Ostheer.
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Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2020, 09:41 AMdistrofio

Nerf M36 straight then? No buff in return, no balance after it. Just a plain nerf hammer, a real nerf like reducing the trashy 60 range to an average 45. Reduce its ROF aswell.

At least vippers is negotiating. You should be glad about that. S76 will have more use if it becomes stock. The mod hours are itself worthless as it is now because it is simply overshadow by OPness..

Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2020, 09:45 AMVipper

As some people say TDs (and actually very expensive TDs) doing their Job now how is that a problem?

Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2020, 10:15 AMSuperHansFan

45 range and you might as well delete the Jackson out the game

It needs a slight mobility nerf to be put down to par with Firefly and SU85 and that's it.

Nerf Sherman pen and axis would build nothing but P4

Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2020, 10:38 AMEsxile

Where did I say it is a problem?
You've the option between 2 tanks, one is AI the other is AT and both are going to be countered by the same opposing tank. Which one do you build?
This question is not a trap and you can answer the Ez8 if you want but that's on you, people who play USF more frequently see a better ROI building the AI one, you can't simply deny it.

Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2020, 11:06 AMVipper

You missed the suggestion. The suggestions is the opposite to buff the penetration of the stock Sherman and make a better vs PzIV and to remove the extra utility of HE rounds.

Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2020, 11:06 AMVipper

You missed the suggestion. The suggestions is the opposite to buff the penetration of the stock Sherman and make a better vs PzIV and to remove the extra utility of HE rounds.

Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2020, 16:12 PMdistrofio

You could take the opposite road to make usf players go for e8+m36. Reduce the Sherman M4A3 hp to 3/4 of its current value, or leave it as a 3 shot to kill tank. E8 will be necessary to support and spot for the Jackson more than ever before.

The cost efficiency of sherman's will remain as long as you micro it out of danger, it has smoke at least and self repair

Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2020, 16:10 PMT.R. Stormjäger

He probably just means “nerf Jackson pen” and wrote Sherman by mistake.

Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2020, 16:15 PMT.R. Stormjäger

And you’re murdering the M36 because:............