Do I have to make it that specific if we all already know what that is. Your just being Jerk right now.
The point is HVAP has great Pen but horrific reload, so you can’t compare the HVAP M36 with the su85.
Additional 10% armor bonus for panther at vet3
10 Feb 2020, 16:06 PM
#81
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The point is HVAP has great Pen but horrific reload, so you can’t compare the HVAP M36 with the su85.
10 Feb 2020, 16:36 PM
#82
Posts: 1563
The point is HVAP has great Pen but horrific reload, so you can’t compare the HVAP M36 with the su85.
And I'm not. It's your problem if you think that way.
10 Feb 2020, 16:48 PM
#83
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Dude It's never gonna bounce Jacksons. Hell vet ap Jacksons have a pen like ~400 enough to even pierce a ele.
But SU85's have a pen of 286 equal to panthers vet3 armor. Atleast bouncing su85's would be nice.
A Vet 3 Jackson has a far penetration of 286.
The Jackson's AP rounds ability is specifically for penetrating the armour of ultraheavy vehicles. It was designed to go up against the 525 armour Jagdtiger.
10 Feb 2020, 17:46 PM
#84
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A Vet 3 Jackson has a far penetration of 286.
The Jackson's AP rounds ability is specifically for penetrating the armour of ultraheavy vehicles. It was designed to go up against the 525 armour Jagdtiger.
No, because the JT should not get penetrated by super mobile 145 fuel non-doctrinal TDs that have almost the same range. Right now two Jacksons can casually drive up to a JT and kill it from the front without breaking a sweat. JT is meant to hard counter allied 60 range TDs and only die from getting flanked or stunned and bombed with an off-map.
Jackson Vet 3 with HVAP has 390 penetration from range 0-30 so when he said roughly 400 penetration it wasn't really wrong.
10 Feb 2020, 17:47 PM
#85
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The point is HVAP has great Pen but horrific reload, so you can’t compare the HVAP M36 with the su85.
HVAP does 200 damage so the slightly slower reload gets compensated.
10 Feb 2020, 18:40 PM
#86
Posts: 3260
No, because the JT should not get penetrated by super mobile 145 fuel non-doctrinal TDs that have almost the same range. Right now two Jacksons can casually drive up to a JT and kill it from the front without breaking a sweat. JT is meant to hard counter allied 60 range TDs and only die from getting flanked or stunned and bombed with an off-map.
Jackson Vet 3 with HVAP has 390 penetration from range 0-30 so when he said roughly 400 penetration it wasn't really wrong.
I didn't say it should have it. I said that's what it's for.
I personally think the Jackson and SU-85 should have the penetration of the Firefly.
10 Feb 2020, 18:43 PM
#87
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Panthers myth busting vol 1
Panthers are not counters. They are as expensive or more compared their so called countered units. Even vs heavy tanks reflects a direct cost / performance ratio. No resource advantage involved.
Panthers are heavy tanks only if we add the super heavy tier for what is commonly known as heavy tank, namely is2, kt, tiger, perishing, isu152 and so on.
Panthers are not counters. They are as expensive or more compared their so called countered units. Even vs heavy tanks reflects a direct cost / performance ratio. No resource advantage involved.
Panthers are heavy tanks only if we add the super heavy tier for what is commonly known as heavy tank, namely is2, kt, tiger, perishing, isu152 and so on.
10 Feb 2020, 18:49 PM
#88
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I would rather it get better accuracy with vet than more armor. Panther currently gets zero bonus accuracy iirc
Looks like OKW panther gets on-the-move acc at vet 5, which may as well not be there
Looks like OKW panther gets on-the-move acc at vet 5, which may as well not be there
10 Feb 2020, 18:59 PM
#89
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I like the idea too, more armor means more rng. Acc is a useful buff for an average speed shooter like phanter.
But I would love to see a vet3 range buff.
But I would love to see a vet3 range buff.
10 Feb 2020, 19:11 PM
#90
Posts: 1563
I like the idea too, more armor means more rng. Acc is a useful buff for an average speed shooter like phanter.
But I would love to see a vet3 range buff.
Range 55 panther. Fuck one Fuck all ze allied Tanks.
Hans:"wait I thought Panthers already do that".
10 Feb 2020, 19:18 PM
#91
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Range 55 panther. Fuck one Fuck all ze allied Tanks.
Hans:"wait I thought Panthers already do that".
Don't krupp stahl too soon my friend. No fanboyism is good for a defense argument
Add, by the eyes of some, panthers already f* every allied tanks
10 Feb 2020, 19:46 PM
#92
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I would rather it get better accuracy with vet
Better moving accuracy. Replacing vet 2 entirely with +30% moving accuracy (0.5 -> 0.65) would be fantastic.
Opinions reflect all team modes (not 1v1)
I often edit my posts several times after posting
I often edit my posts several times after posting
10 Feb 2020, 21:05 PM
#93
Posts: 789
Yeah then hull down 75(yes 60*1.25=75 range dude 75!!!!) range panthers gonna come and ruin every allied tank on the planet.
So an ability in 2 commanders which can be changed and needs a rework anyways should prevent the implementation of new ideas.
Most of my ideas are probably bad, - but I try and share lots of them
and maybe some of them will be good an improve the game
One can hope
and maybe some of them will be good an improve the game
One can hope
25 Feb 2020, 13:20 PM
#94
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Yeah but it's far more expensive compared to TD's so why should it not be able deflect max range shots from TD's when it's vet3???? Huh buddy???
I think vet 3 allied infantry should be 100% immune to vet 3 MG42 / Vet 5 OKW FLAK AA truck.
100% immune to both dmg AND suppression. Should bouncing all bullets.
Because units should always be immune to their counters.
Especially core non-commander units. Don't you agree?
Making Panthers immune to AT would mean they're immune to any counter.
People complain the Soviets are useless.
Well, they are useless if you fight your units 1vs1. But they are all about Synergy.
What do I care if you have a Panther? Once you are crippled from running over a mine
I wait until you repair it with your 3x SturmPioneers and tell my 3x Mortars to fire at it.
did you know Vet 1 Mortars get FLARE?!
- 900 Manpower down the drain. - Panther still can't move worth a damn.
Well, they are useless if you fight your units 1vs1. But they are all about Synergy.
What do I care if you have a Panther? Once you are crippled from running over a mine
I wait until you repair it with your 3x SturmPioneers and tell my 3x Mortars to fire at it.
did you know Vet 1 Mortars get FLARE?!
- 900 Manpower down the drain. - Panther still can't move worth a damn.
25 Feb 2020, 13:47 PM
#95
Posts: 647
Move pintle mg to vet 2, give panther armor skirts upgrade. Upgrade gives panther 960hp.
Should work better as a dive tank now meant to hunt down isolated tanks and TDs or take potshots against distracted tanks. Smoke canister would increase its survival chances as a dive tank.
I believe most people use panthers like a heavy tank and therefore, are always in range of TDs. Often getting hit by TDs driving up slightly and taking pot shots.
Jp4 is amazing against TDs. Schrecks are amazing against TDs.
Should work better as a dive tank now meant to hunt down isolated tanks and TDs or take potshots against distracted tanks. Smoke canister would increase its survival chances as a dive tank.
I believe most people use panthers like a heavy tank and therefore, are always in range of TDs. Often getting hit by TDs driving up slightly and taking pot shots.
Jp4 is amazing against TDs. Schrecks are amazing against TDs.
25 Feb 2020, 16:40 PM
#96
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I think vet 3 allied infantry should be 100% immune to vet 3 MG42 / Vet 5 OKW FLAK AA truck.
100% immune to both dmg AND suppression. Should bouncing all bullets.
Because units should always be immune to their counters.
Especially core non-commander units. Don't you agree?
Making Panthers immune to AT would mean they're immune to any counter.
So I thinks stugs and JP4 should have their long ranges pens increased to 290 to facilitate your ideal vision for the game. See as comets/churches are "Immune" to their counters.
25 Feb 2020, 16:45 PM
#97
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So I thinks stugs and JP4 should have their long ranges pens increased to 290 to facilitate your ideal vision for the game. See as comets/churches are "Immune" to their counters.
Double StuG (about the same cost as a Panther) butchers Churchills.
Comets do not do well against Panthers.
My opinion on the 230 FU heavies is pretty well known, but I think nondoc heavies (Panther and the UKF ones) are all balanced really nicely.
I'd have no problem if the Tiger, Pershing, and IS-2 were rebalanced to be like the Comet.
26 Feb 2020, 03:53 AM
#98
Posts: 1563
Double StuG (about the same cost as a Panther) butchers Churchills.
Comets do not do well against Panthers.
My opinion on the 230 FU heavies is pretty well known, but I think nondoc heavies (Panther and the UKF ones) are all balanced really nicely.
I'd have no problem if the Tiger, Pershing, and IS-2 were rebalanced to be like the Comet.
Your missing the point,
The guy is insinuating that giving panther +10% armor will make it "Immune" to TD's.
26 Feb 2020, 06:36 AM
#99
Posts: 1794
Comet only 800hp.
Panther is waaaaay better than comet.
Panther is almost a doctrine Pershing with a bit lesser AI for longer range.
Panther is in strange spot.
Super powerful in 1v1 but very expensive to field
In 2v2 it seems in perfect.
In bigger game modes, it becomes cancerous if allowed to be massed.
Panther spam with volks blob is almost instant win
Panther is waaaaay better than comet.
Panther is almost a doctrine Pershing with a bit lesser AI for longer range.
Panther is in strange spot.
Super powerful in 1v1 but very expensive to field
In 2v2 it seems in perfect.
In bigger game modes, it becomes cancerous if allowed to be massed.
Panther spam with volks blob is almost instant win
26 Feb 2020, 12:21 PM
#100
Posts: 3260
Panther is almost a doctrine Pershing with a bit lesser AI for longer range.
"a bit lesser AI"?
You're comparing one of the most powerful anti-infantry guns in the game to the Panther's gun, which has worse AoE than a stock medium tank.
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