Winter balance (1/2020) feedback - UKF
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Light gammon and others abilities can be the same.
This will make the HQ glider completely distinction from commando glider, along with commando team weapons.
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Is avre going to stay CP 9 Hammer/Anvil?
croc 12 cp nerf is too much when it is more AI
keep them at 9.
they are no super AI AT killer like tigers.
croc avre needs micro tax. especially avre. too high too high.
sturmtiger needs how many cp?
considering ukf is now pop constrain, avre should be same or slightly lower cp than ST.
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1. Hold the line ability
2. Recovery sappers - standarization to 5 men with other call in infantry without boolster. Also would be nice to see them hide aweeper to increase their performance.
3. Newest LandLeasse commander- its meh in late game so would be nice to change self-repairs with something else
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This unit should be reworked that's for sure. 5man cp0 with some unique ability should be enough
2. Recovery sappers - standarization to 5 men with other call in infantry without boolster. Also would be nice to see them hide aweeper to increase their performance.
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This unit should be reworked that's for sure. 5man cp0 with some unique ability should be enough
You mean like smoke grenades, salvage and faster repair speed?
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yep but without mine sweeper
You mean like smoke grenades, salvage and faster repair speed?
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yep but without mine sweeper
The unit is more than fine it a support units not a combat unit
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UKF AI on expert = get 2-3 medic squads and use them at the frontline like normal infantry + build 2-3 HQs at random locations and then get PIATS on the few infantry sections the AI builds. It's completely useless. At least USF and Soviet AI actually spams combat units.
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You mean like smoke grenades, salvage and faster repair speed?
Is the faster repair speed given by built in sweeper upgrade or it is a different stat ?
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Is the faster repair speed given by built in sweeper upgrade or it is a different stat ?
No only Pio/CE/ST get a bonus from the sweeper:
ecovery Sapper Squad
Recovery Sappers have been adjusted to be a versatile support unit that does not require a heavy manpower investment and giving the player two squads when they would only want one.
-Only deploys one squad rather than two.
-CP requirement from 4 to 1.
-Cost from 450 to 230.
-Can throw smoke grenades for 15 munitions.
-Repair speed from 1.6 to 1.85
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No only Pio/CE/ST get a bonus from the sweeper:
ecovery Sapper Squad
Recovery Sappers have been adjusted to be a versatile support unit that does not require a heavy manpower investment and giving the player two squads when they would only want one.
-Only deploys one squad rather than two.
-CP requirement from 4 to 1.
-Cost from 450 to 230.
-Can throw smoke grenades for 15 munitions.
-Repair speed from 1.6 to 1.85
Thank. I was always curious about whether or not Ro.e sweeper giving additional repair.
Standardized them in to 0cp 5 man call in will be nice. When i pick this Commander, i often use recovery sapper to completely replace stock sapper.
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Price go up to 270 - 280 ?
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At 0cp, 5 man, can we give recovery sapper grease gun profile? with the sweeper, they will only have 4 smg anyway, enough to defense again ass gren when combine with sections and use as flanker. I will give up the smoke grenade then.
Price go up to 270 - 280 ?
I would prefer they stay utility units to be honest. They are in a good spot as it is. No need to change them.
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Commandos were actually trained to hipfire brens historically. It would also add some flavour rather than every doctrine having the same sten commandos
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This unit should be reworked that's for sure. 5man cp0 with some unique ability should be enough
CP0 would probably be a bad idea with too much synergy with UC - would bully OKW in early game too much I would think. I think having them being able to put away sweeper is an interesting buff but I don't think they really *need* it since the repair speed buff, free sweeper, and access to smoke grenades is already plenty to differentiate them from stock sappers. The one buff I would like to see is having their reinforce cost reduced as I'm pretty sure it's higher than standard sappers which I'm not sure is strictly necessary for a doctrinal unit that's marginally better than stock. +1+1+1 to Hold the Line buff/fix/change
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I too like the idea of a unique long range rifle commando to be slotted somewhere in a doctrine.
Commandos were actually trained to hipfire brens historically. It would also add some flavour rather than every doctrine having the same sten commandos
Sander once said giving rifle to commando will make their far dps with elite bren too high. But i think if they are 4 man, it will be fine.
Everything needed are already exist,model and voice line of commando, same rifle with section but without cover penalties and elite bren tag.
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Sander once said giving rifle to commando will make their far dps with elite bren too high. But i think if they are 4 man, it will be fine.
Everything needed are already exist,model and voice line of commando, same rifle with section but without cover penalties and elite bren tag.
Or I suppose you could limit them with 1 weapon slot and 5 men if Far DPS is the major concern.
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Make so only 1 is allowed on the field, problem solved,
At this point I feel the units are distinct enough to split them.
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I would prefer they stay utility units to be honest. They are in a good spot as it is. No need to change them.
The unit itself is fine, the salvage mechanic was not properly implemented IMO after redesign.
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