Are Ass Grens too good??
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They cost 280 mp and comes at 0cp. Same as A. Engies. Comparing them,
RA: 0.95 vs 0.9 (grens vs engies)
DPS: 10.5 vs 13.5 (grens vs engies, per model)
The assault grens are weaker. But they have sprint to close in and very powerful specops nades.
They also when t3 is researched can upgrade to 6 man. Improving their RA to 0.9 adding 1 man. And with that upgrade they beat: ass angies, thompson cav rifles, assault sections, commandos, mp40 storms, IR STG obers from close range. Although they can't take on more powerfull allied cqc squads like thompson paras, ranges or ppsh airborn guards, assault guards, shocks. However they have that grenade ability. If used well they can challenge any of those squads as well. They also have very stron vet bonuses.
Offensive: +40% acc, -25% cooldown
Defensive: -33.6% RA (giving the 6 man squad a very good 0.6 RA, this is probably the highest defenses for a 6 man squad gets if we exclude the shocks)
So the 6-man ass grens are pretty good. For only 280mp+60mu and 0cp unit they can achieve what other axis squads can't parity with allied cqc units.
To me this seem really good in fact too good. + they also come from 2 doctrines which have tigers(TA in strat reserve and regular Tiger in mech assault).
Now I'm not saying they are OP or need to looked at but simply they are quite cost effective (maybe too cost effective) and the commanders they come from are not bad.
So what do you guys think about the ass grens???
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Imo they are at least fine. They allow ostheer way to play aggressive early game without being useless later on. Counters to them also exist withallies, with them being able to bully them with early game light vehicles, maxims and vickerses. Usf might struggle a bit early on but once teched and bars avaiable, they can be dealt with.The question is not weather they are counter able or not but simply if they are more bang for your buck.
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Any mistakes with Assault Grenadiers result in a massive MP-bleed,
which is why I think they are fine and not "too good".
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did u just pulled those out of ur ass or have something to show for it ? cause math says otherwise
The assault grens are weaker. But they have sprint to close in and very powerful specops nades.
They also when t3 is researched can upgrade to 6 man. Improving their RA to 0.9 adding 1 man. And with that upgrade they beat: ass angies, thompson cav rifles, assault sections, commandos, mp40 storms, IR STG obers from close range. Although they can't take on more powerfull allied cqc squads like thompson paras, ranges or ppsh airborn guards, assault guards, shocks. However they have that grenade ability. If used well they can challenge any of those squads as well. They also have very stron vet bonuses.
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did u just pulled those out of ur ass or have something to show for it ? cause math says otherwiseI'v tested each of these(around 3 times). Honestly this was quite surprising. I thought they would be on par wit cav riflemen but not better turns out they are.
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I'v tested each of these(around 3 times). Honestly this was quite surprising. I thought they would be on par wit cav riflemen but not better turns out they are.
Did you use cheatcommands to spawn them in front of eachother and changed sides on one of them?
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kinda, but whole one squad having faster aim times, different formations bothered me. So in later tests i set up 2 sand bags at around range 7/8 apart and made then charge into those covers starting from a bit further away.
Did you use cheatcommands to spawn them in front of eachother and changed sides on one of them?
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kinda, but whole one squad having faster aim times, different formations bothered me. So in later tests i set up 2 sand bags at around range 7/8 apart and made then charge into those covers starting from a bit further away.
Yeah this method doesn’t work. Changing squad owner in range of an enemy squad messes badly with the combat. Your results are all wrong,
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Niche unit, nowhere near overtuned.
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Don't forget AE also a engineer,AG just grenadier
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Sure about that. Why don't you do a better test and show me they are wrong.
Yeah this method doesn’t work. Changing squad owner in range of an enemy squad messes badly with the combat. Your results are all wrong,
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https://imgur.com/a/YeOhpe2
ps cover are only there for positioning i deleted them cause it would create problem with flamer
commando had no bonus form ambush btw, with it they win
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SO I DID THE TEST, U ARE A Liar
https://imgur.com/a/YeOhpe2
ps cover are only there for positioning i deleted them cause it would create problem with flamer
commando had no bonus form ambush btw, with it they win
Flames do more damage in cover, and thompson have similar profile to stgs so outside of range 10 they don't loose as much dps. Hey they still beat commandos.
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I removed cover u can literally see it
Flames do more damage in cover, and thompson have similar profile to stgs so outside of range 10 they don't loose as much dps. Hey they still beat commandos.
btw this prove u didn't test and just made it up
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