The Great OKW commander balancing

Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2019, 03:29 AMmrgame2

How would this help Ost? If anything, it makes Ost even trickier late game

The anonying allies LV are characterised by how hard for Ost to hit them under a good player. Faust is worse snare imo, because of long load times and line of sight.

In mid-late games, Ost vehicles need more active invovlement. Putting additional status is a negative.

Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2019, 10:22 AMRaviloli

Gasp, how dare an opponent have nearly twice the manpower invested in troops as well as be on the defensive and have good odds against my übermensch?! Heresy!

Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2019, 12:28 PMKatitof

Soo, that's about 600+ fuel and 3000 manpower(rounded) vs 290 fuel and 2000 manpower(rounded).

And you think that's economy?
Perhaps not suiciding 3-4 squads and not letting opponent capture your fuel and holding it for the whole time might be issue here and not the economy?

Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2019, 12:31 PMT.R. Stormjäger

It’s the mp, not the fuel. Fuel is easy to determine if you’re ahead or not, while mp is different. Just take a look at my last replay uploaded and you’ll see what I mean. Opponent went 6 cons and had the mp savings from 7man cons to roll out support weapons and tanks despite equal kills.

At any rate, all I said was make 7 man cons a bit less mp efficient, which is a sentiment a lot of people share. Not sure why I’m being singled out here.

Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2019, 12:36 PMKatitof

Soviets don't have higher mp then any other faction.
7 man cons are designed to win attrition war in small arms combat, but by that time you should have indirect fire support raining on them as well.

You are overestimating 7 man con attrition and simply not killing enough yourself.

Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2019, 12:28 PMLago

In the mid-late, a snared tank is usually a dead tank.

In the light vehicle phase, Ostheer has no light tank hunter. That means they usually rely on PGrens and Pak 40s to take out light vehicles.

Engine damaged light vehicles can still outrun AT guns, making it pretty difficult for Ost to finish them off without a lucky teller.

Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2019, 10:10 AMVipper

The problem is that now the best strategy is to get a heavy tank narrowing the number of commanders used.

It more a diversity issue than balance issue. Either this vehicles become stock or they should become less attractive.

Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2019, 14:11 PMmrgame2

Imo make Axis T4 units come back to life, then they no need to fall back to Tiger always.

Sov could ignore IS2 and go for KV1 KV8 ISU, no problem
Ukf can go for Croc or not, no problem
I dont think Allies part have changed.

Only IS2 is too sweet now with the shortened timing and realisation Axis have little counter.

Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2019, 18:01 PMJae For Jett

For axis, volume is the answer. Multiple stugs, multiple AT guns, even multiple pumas if you wanted to. Obviously allies have high pen TDs for their side. The reason why its hard to find "a unit" axis has to counter heavies is because the answer is multiple units.

Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2019, 12:38 PMT.R. Stormjäger

My point is they are too cost efficient and equal kills leads to the soviet player having a better economy as a result. This efficiency needs to be slightly toned down, as stated for the past few months by almost everyone.

Again, I’m not saying something new here,

Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2019, 18:01 PMJae For Jett

For axis, volume is the answer. Multiple stugs, multiple AT guns, even multiple pumas if you wanted to. Obviously allies have high pen TDs for their side. The reason why its hard to find "a unit" axis has to counter heavies is because the answer is multiple units.

Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2019, 18:15 PMZeroZeroNi

Sadly pop cap is a b**ch.

Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2019, 18:01 PMJae For Jett

For axis, volume is the answer. Multiple stugs, multiple AT guns, even multiple pumas if you wanted to. Obviously allies have high pen TDs for their side. The reason why its hard to find "a unit" axis has to counter heavies is because the answer is multiple units.

Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2019, 18:59 PMLago

Those armour nerfs must be pretty hefty if Pumas are to be a heavy counter.

Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2019, 19:06 PMJae For Jett

Well, no amount of armor nerfing is going to help L2P issues.

Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2019, 18:59 PMLago

Those armour nerfs must be pretty hefty if Pumas are to be a heavy counter.

Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2019, 19:14 PMT.R. Stormjäger

HEATgasm

Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2019, 19:15 PMLago

If the answer is HEAT then Pumas aren't a counter. Not unless something crazy like HEAT becoming nondoctrinal happens.

EDIT: So I went and tested it out and... wow.

Not gonna lie, I was not expecting two bog standard Vet 0 Pumas to take out a Pershing from the front.

The IS-2's a different story, but it's getting its armour cut.