Incendiary barrage for panzerwer

Jump back to quoted post3 Jan 2020, 11:26 AMMr Carmine

Cost, hp and armour, speed and mobility, min max range, weapon or rocket damage and aoe profile, how many per salvo, fire time cooldown time, spread or scatter, vet bonusses.

Then you look at what type of army they face.

Jump back to quoted post3 Jan 2020, 19:23 PMZeroZeroNi

All these are meaningless stats. How are supposed to quantify versatility with these data. The answer is your not. If you want to go of in a pointless tangent be my guest. The Fact is the katty is more user friendly and versatile and the stuka simply is more powerful despite both coming sooner(less tech cost associated with them) and on top of that they don't come from tech structures which are kind of a gamble in 1v1 specially.

Jump back to quoted post3 Jan 2020, 22:32 PMMr Carmine

Ok denei stats all you want it still does not make a great argument for you. Versitilty you qaintify with type of barrage vet ability and bonusses and aoe profile.

As for stats being usseles, "more user friendly" is far more usseles then comparing stats wise. That has even more opinion written all over it.

For claiming facts and then stating data is irrelevant to come to your fact is mind bogeling. You seem to have a different defenition of what a fact is.

I,ll leave it at that.

Jump back to quoted post4 Jan 2020, 04:39 AMZeroZeroNi

Don't act all high and mighty. I said the data you want is irrelevant. And listen what points I made require more practical data (real world). Like,

%chance of Rocket strike dodged
avg hit area wrt range curve
avg unit cluster area
avg reaction time of attack recipient
%chance to hit target with barrage while no doge
%chance to hit target with barrage while doge
avg damage hit area likely to receive given x number of units
%chance to hit clustered target once they have moved from are
and a fair bit more.

All you are talking about is stuff in theory. but as the saying goes
"it's all good in theory, not in practice"

All AOE profile will do tell what the dice rolls and numbers are like. It won't tell you stuff in game. And no one has the time to gather stats like these.

Jump back to quoted post4 Jan 2020, 11:12 AMMr Carmine

Then how the hell can you claim x is better the y because its more user friendly. Thats als up to preference per player.

Speaking about acting high and mighty, your being a hypocrite on that.

Jump back to quoted post4 Jan 2020, 11:20 AMZeroZeroNi

The same way cavemen without thermometers could say fire is hot even though they couldn't measure the raw data of fire and come to a comprehensive conclusion that fire is in fact HOT.

Jump back to quoted post4 Jan 2020, 11:52 AMHannibal

If you two don't stop your flame war I'm gonna put an end to this bullshit.

Jump back to quoted post4 Jan 2020, 11:33 AMWiderstreit

For me the change seems like so many other semi changes of the last years, doesn't touching real broken mechanism.

Panzerwerfer arrives too late, its performance is incosistant in comparison to other units and only Artillerieoffizier makes it potential.

a. move it to T2, requirement of tech T4.
b. reduce the fire-rate (less clowny) but inprove the armor pen + add a low angle ability for better acc. but less range.
c. Arty-off. ability only uses standard shots, doesn't make Werfer op.

That e.g. allows to react on stupid 120mm spam or pack-howitzers.




Incendiary grenade or Brandflasche could be a ability for Osttruppen xD

Jump back to quoted post4 Jan 2020, 11:52 AMHannibal

If you two don't stop your flame war I'm gonna put an end to this bullshit.

Jump back to quoted post4 Jan 2020, 12:23 PMZeroZeroNi

Where am i flaming. he's just taking this clearly dead thread way too srsly. And i'm just enjoying the ride.

Jump back to quoted post6 Jan 2020, 15:30 PMReverb

Werfer is fine, it's probably better than Katy if it's used with care and skill to get it very close to the front, with its rotating rocket pack and high mobility that is not such a hard thing to do, it just requires you to use your brain a bit more than leaving it in the rear like what most people do with the Katy. Werfer just punishes lazy play more than the Katy, with the Katy being easier to get rewards from when you leave it far behind the front.
Werfer is already absolute cancer in 2v2 when you are having to go heavy AT gun.

Jump back to quoted post6 Jan 2020, 15:30 PMReverb

Werfer is already absolute cancer in 2v2 when you are having to go heavy AT gun.

Jump back to quoted post10 Jan 2020, 05:19 AMKiwiBirb

But USF has to go TD and skip ai tanks because their AT gun has 55 range and terrible penetration