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31 Dec 2019, 14:57 PM
#101
avatar of ZeroZeroNi

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jump backJump back to quoted post31 Dec 2019, 11:57 AMLago


Because they're not better.

Grenadier squads only have four models, but those models are individually stronger than Conscript models and Riflemen models.


You sure about rifle models m8.
Grenadiers
RA 0.91
DPS ~6.0(0)/2.26(35)

Riflemen
RA 0.97
DPS ~6.9(0-6)/1.7(35)

Don't get cocky. Riflemen are better than grenadiers. And conscripts are better cus in the early game they out number grens and in mid game they have access to good elite infantry and combined arms.
31 Dec 2019, 15:20 PM
#102
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You sure about rifle models m8.
Grenadiers
RA 0.91
DPS ~6.0(0)/2.26(35)

Riflemen
RA 0.97
DPS ~6.9(0-6)/1.7(35)

Don't get cocky. Riflemen are better than grenadiers. And conscripts are better cus in the early game they out number grens and in mid game they have access to good elite infantry and combined arms.

They out number grens in models not squads. Cons are more expensive in the long run due to side techs exclusively for cons in order to unlock snare and molitovs. Also even at the start of the game the Soviet is shelling out more for teching and then the same for units (mg mortar at gun sniper and core infantry all cost the same, but initially tech is more expensive) cons don't out number any one
31 Dec 2019, 15:30 PM
#103
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They out number grens in models not squads. Cons are more expensive in the long run due to side techs exclusively for cons in order to unlock snare and molitovs. Also even at the start of the game the Soviet is shelling out more for teching and then the same for units (mg mortar at gun sniper and core infantry all cost the same, but initially tech is more expensive) cons don't out number any one

You do realize you you need tBy the time you are building your 2nd gren squad soviets can build 3 cons (they might even have it out at that point). Mmm... the resources are given to you by the game, so for both ost and sovs the first building is essentially free m8. it's not like usf/ukf who are not given enough resources to tech at start. That is some serious levels of bias.
31 Dec 2019, 17:35 PM
#104
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You do realize you you need tBy the time you are building your 2nd gren squad soviets can build 3 cons (they might even have it out at that point). Mmm... the resources are given to you by the game, so for both ost and sovs the first building is essentially free m8. it's not like usf/ukf who are not given enough resources to tech at start. That is some serious levels of bias.

Yes cons CAN outnumber grens if the Soviet player doesn't tech up to support them with anything. By that metric all other factions can out number grens for the seconds it takes to build Ost t1

Also Ost starts with more manpower if memory serves as well as having a cheaper first building. And the buildings, while cheaper than starting resources still cost resources and impact build orders.

But yes you are correct. For 15 seconds there can be more cons than grens on the field. Good job. Nailed it.
31 Dec 2019, 17:35 PM
#105
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Do the Obers still have 50% accuracy vs retreating squads? if so, then Obers are OP lol.
31 Dec 2019, 17:37 PM
#106
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Do the Obers still have 50% accuracy vs retreating squads? if so, then Obers are OP lol.

I believe that was axed very early on. Like back when they still spawned with the lmg.
31 Dec 2019, 18:29 PM
#107
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I believe that was axed very early on. Like back when they still spawned with the lmg.


And when the SwS was the strongest unit in the game cause it was free and it could rodkill and demolish buildings.

How long have we gone so far.

And conscripts are better cus in the early game they out number grens and in mid game they have access to good elite infantry and combined arms.


Conscript can't really outnumber OH spamming grens.

OH starts with +30mp over SU and +30mp on unit value on Pios.
T1 for OH costs 80. BP1 is 100. Medics are 150mp + 60muni.

Soviets Lolotov and AT nade should be 80 + 125.
Medics are 250mp
Tech is 160mp.

Most common build:

SU: 4 Conscripts
Alternative -1 Conscript in favour of CE
5th unit tend to be medics.

OH: 1 MG42 + 3 Grens
Or 1 Pio + 3 Grens
5th unit tends is a mix between T2 unit, PG, medic, etc.
31 Dec 2019, 21:01 PM
#108
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when did I say cons require more micro??? Grenadiers require more micro than cons do m8.
And maxims have 6 men. Try killing that with ost infantry.


Ost has some fine nades to deal with 6 men teams. Wich soviets do not have stock. Something most players dont consider somehow.

You didnt say cons need more input. I did. Grens are about positioning. Units like that need less imput by default. Cons constantly need to close in.
31 Dec 2019, 22:32 PM
#109
avatar of distrofio

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Why are cons as cheap as grenadiers, but with more men and better.

Why is russian sniper so sexy and OH is boring but effective?
31 Dec 2019, 22:55 PM
#110
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Why is russian sniper so sexy


Wait until you hear female T70 get shot and scream "OH FUCK ME!!!".
1 Jan 2020, 00:09 AM
#111
avatar of Lago

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You sure about rifle models m8.
Grenadiers
RA 0.91
DPS ~6.0(0)/2.26(35)

Riflemen
RA 0.97
DPS ~6.9(0-6)/1.7(35)

Don't get cocky. Riflemen are better than grenadiers. And conscripts are better cus in the early game they out number grens and in mid game they have access to good elite infantry and combined arms.


DPS at what range?

You should really play USF and SOV more. It'd give you a better feel for how those factions play and inform your balance arguments.
1 Jan 2020, 00:56 AM
#112
avatar of distrofio

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Wait until you hear female T70 get shot and scream "OH FUCK ME!!!".

I heard it but there is so little time between her saying that and the tank blowing up to bits... sadly
1 Jan 2020, 03:16 AM
#113
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jump backJump back to quoted post1 Jan 2020, 00:09 AMLago


DPS at what range?

You should really play USF and SOV more. It'd give you a better feel for how those factions play and inform your balance arguments.

Press on my player card and say that again.
1 Jan 2020, 03:19 AM
#114
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Wait until you hear female T70 get shot and scream "OH FUCK ME!!!".

I fucking peed from laughing there.
1 Jan 2020, 04:24 AM
#115
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Press on my player card and say that again.


You'd need a playercard for that.
1 Jan 2020, 04:54 AM
#116
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I heard it but there is so little time between her saying that and the tank blowing up to bits... sadly

So Little time from me when my wife yells that too so it's historically accurate
1 Jan 2020, 08:15 AM
#117
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jump backJump back to quoted post1 Jan 2020, 04:24 AMLago


You'd need a playercard for that.

But stormjager was able to do it. I though every one could.
1 Jan 2020, 10:11 AM
#118
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Steamid set to private.
1 Jan 2020, 12:56 PM
#119
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After multible games last days as OKW and Ostheer in 2vs2 my most OP unit is a combo. Penals+Sniper+T70. An unbeatable tactic if the other mate only spames HMGs.

Why it is OP? Because all most OP things of UdSSR comes together.

1. more cost effective units (Penals) than yours like Grens and Volks.
2. Sniper killing your counter versus Penals e.g. HMGs, then overrun Grens.
3. Penals killing your counter versus Sniper e.g. 222 or holding ground so aggresive that countersniper doesn't work.
4. T70 trolling your flancs and counter everything.

For me this combi shows the bad fraction design of the game. More or less, if a team gets that tactic game is broken as hell.
1 Jan 2020, 14:09 PM
#120
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But stormjager was able to do it. I though every one could.


Stormjager is a man of certain...

...talents.
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