Stationary design is not bad, OST is basically pseudo stationary with tram weapons and that's its core strength but it isn't OP aswell. The difference is playerbase feedback and compromise. Ukf was always either OP or UP by the words of many but only those who play all factions say they are somewhere in between.
Bad designs are perfected through feedback, but sometimes changes straightly break the original design because it's a shortcut. Instead of fixing 3 issues amongst 3 factions, just simply break the original UKF design and add units clones and have the nerf bat at hand
UKF absent from tourney play again
22 Nov 2019, 15:38 PM
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22 Nov 2019, 15:41 PM
#22
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Obviously when it comes to top level play when even seasoned ukf players are picking soviets or USF instead this is an indicator to where UKF balance is currently. Tommie 10mp decrease or not let's face it their in a pretty dire place right now. A couple of token 3-0 stomp fests in the early rounds aside.
But lurking the forums it seems like there's not much discussion to WHY Brits are weak at current time.
Some would blame it on sub par infantry options, lack of mortar or real heavy tank in a heavy tank meta.
This thread is intended to shine a spotlight on just what the issue is so the balance team can get a better idea of gripes from players and overview to the problems that exist. Hopefully a few top players can throw their hat in the ring and explain why they avoided UKF in competitive play
I think the main problem of UKF is lack of options. Its the only faction that locks out its own tech. Removing this handicap might open up some interesting new play.
Secondly UKF has no light AI vehicle. The faction is reliant on nerfed IS to get it to mediums for AI (the worst one in the game mind u) while luchs can single handedly win a 1v1. This gives the faction less of a chance to steamroll someone after a dominant start and less of a way to push advantage.
Absence of mobile artilery is the last nail in the coffin. Not only does it not have a mobile mortar there's no non-doctrinal mobile arty. And the options you get from the commanders are sub-par. Land matress could use a serious cooldown reduction and sexton would need to get accuracy when firing non point blank.
22 Nov 2019, 15:45 PM
#23
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Ukf needed no AI vehicle because there was bofors. Nowadays it's simply worthless, but it could hold any big enough area from both, infantry or vehicles and force the opponent to go indirect fire or simply quit fighting there
22 Nov 2019, 15:49 PM
#24
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My suggestion to the devs would be to try removing the lockout mechanic from brits and see how it plays. Having both comets and airburst shells would be fun and would compensate for UKF not having a true heavy tank.
22 Nov 2019, 16:30 PM
#25
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Permanently BannedLet's face it. There hasn't been an "Ost unplayable" thread in months, yet the pros basically told all of u that Ost is almost as unplayable as UKF if only 2 Ost games were featured compared to 18 OKW. Meanwhile there have been FOUR separate threads in a short span of time that basically allege "UKF unplayable."
In conclusion, this forum is _____ biased. Fill in the blank.
In conclusion, this forum is _____ biased. Fill in the blank.
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22 Nov 2019, 16:45 PM
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Let's face it. There hasn't been an "Ost unplayable" thread in months, yet the pros basically told all of u that Ost is almost as unplayable as UKF if only 2 Ost games were featured compared to 18 OKW. Meanwhile there have been FOUR separate threads in a short span of time that basically allege "UKF unplayable."
In conclusion, this forum is _____ biased. Fill in the blank.
Good god. Can you just CHECK the facts before you say something ridiculous like this? Ost was used quite often, just not in the finals. A sample size of TWO players is hardly enough.
22 Nov 2019, 16:57 PM
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What do we have for win rates of the tourney
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22 Nov 2019, 17:02 PM
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What do we have for win rates of the tourney
We have none because Siphon X isn't done yet with his stats report. (Or maybe he isn't doing one IDK)
22 Nov 2019, 17:10 PM
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You know what was really absent? Wehrmacht T4. And when it did appear it lost the game for the Wehrmacht player.
22 Nov 2019, 17:35 PM
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We have none because Siphon X isn't done yet with his stats report. (Or maybe he isn't doing one IDK)
Working on it....
22 Nov 2019, 17:43 PM
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Praise siphon 
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22 Nov 2019, 18:03 PM
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Lack of a non-doctrinal mortar has been an obvious weakness for the British since the beginning of the UKF.
Reliance on static play and emplacements has been a glaring oversight of British Army design since CoH however in general, so it's not just this game.
Even with doctrinal mortar options (Commandos in CoH and Lend-Lease Assault here) that still doesn't fill in the gaps that a lack of a proper commander option leaves you with, still relying on mostly static and defensive gameplay.
As far as the Ostheer goes in my opinion their lack of 5 man squads non-doctrinally as well as no forward retreat point, doctrine or not and lastly a lack-luster heavily Tiger reliant late game is also a glaring issue for them.
Reliance on static play and emplacements has been a glaring oversight of British Army design since CoH however in general, so it's not just this game.
Even with doctrinal mortar options (Commandos in CoH and Lend-Lease Assault here) that still doesn't fill in the gaps that a lack of a proper commander option leaves you with, still relying on mostly static and defensive gameplay.
As far as the Ostheer goes in my opinion their lack of 5 man squads non-doctrinally as well as no forward retreat point, doctrine or not and lastly a lack-luster heavily Tiger reliant late game is also a glaring issue for them.
22 Nov 2019, 18:05 PM
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Working on it....
Very good news. Thank you so much in advance.
22 Nov 2019, 18:20 PM
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The problems with UKF run deeper than no mortar
Look how many mortars were bought in the tourney - I recall spotting maybe three, total.
Getting a proper mortar would help, but there are a lot more problems than that.
Look how many mortars were bought in the tourney - I recall spotting maybe three, total.
Getting a proper mortar would help, but there are a lot more problems than that.
22 Nov 2019, 18:34 PM
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Permanently BannedYou know what was really absent? Wehrmacht T4. And when it did appear it lost the game for the Wehrmacht player.
Getting T4 in 1v1 is like using RE Volley Fire on assault grens at point blank. Shooting yourself in the foot.
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22 Nov 2019, 18:35 PM
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Getting T4 in 1v1 is like using RE Volley Fire on assault grens at point blank. Shooting yourself in the foot.
There is an Ost thread for you to whine about Ost.
Stop dredging it up here.
22 Nov 2019, 19:00 PM
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15 OKW games (if the OH number are correct, spoilers) The thing is i think i saw way more OH play in previous rounds while the presence of UKF was anecdotic.
The difference between hungry and famine. Or been niche and non competitive.
Reminder that ranks between factions are not equivalent outside top100. You should look at level, which is a slightly better estimation of skill.
Where? There are only 2 games in Stormless, Tightrope, AE on YT.
Spoilers: from those, Bartons game was a "stomp" by Hans as OH (barely losing VPs, although a longer game). Aimstrong vs CC, Aims basically stomped first 2 games (less than 20 vp lost) and the last he made a comeback with OH.
PD: i found another game from Aimstrong vs Luvnest on Twitch. Didn't go well for UKF.
my point was to show that ukf had more than 0 presence, not to contest the claim that UKF games usually ended in stomps with UKF on the receiving end
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22 Nov 2019, 19:08 PM
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I admit, I only witnessed one of those unfortunate stomps, but its good to hear that the overall UKF performance was the exact same as that one instance I got to see.
22 Nov 2019, 19:19 PM
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Brits are responsible for the most bullshit and crap experiences of this game:
comet swarms
Arty cover
unbeatable croc
emplacements with brace
they had their fair share of this game. good thing they arent as present as before
comet swarms
Arty cover
unbeatable croc
emplacements with brace
they had their fair share of this game. good thing they arent as present as before
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