My Proposal to change Allied TDs

Do this in order:

1- Let's wait to see where we actually are after the tournament ends.

2- Delay a bit more the heavy call in tanks.

- Recheck all TD xp values and adjust accordingly.

- If vet pen based is to be changed, it could be tweak to be equal to armor buffs received by Axis.

3- You can also swap most of the offensive vet buffs to vet 3 and replace double offensive buffs on the same vet level for more defensive/mobility ones.

4- If after all this, the Jackson still requires a change:

HVAP becomes a vet0 ability with no munition cost and is a long time to switch toggleable munition.
RoF on HVAP nerf to be equal to that of FF, lower accuracy values (which should in theory be enough for heavies)
Default gun range reduced to 50 while moving. 60 range when still.

Jump back to quoted post2 Nov 2019, 06:10 AMAnon66

Honestly it's starting to sound like the m10 should be the USF TD with the jackson coming later.
Of course, I agree that if you want to nerf the jackson then you'll have to deal some kind of buff to the other AT options so they can reliably deal with an OKW P4.

Jump back to quoted post2 Nov 2019, 06:17 AMCODGUY

It's not viable to nerf the Jackson. USF was complete trash prior to it's health buff. Guess what you'd have to do to balance things out if you significantly nerfed the Jackson? You'd have to make the Panther doctrinal. The autistic screeching from Wehraboos would be deafening. But why shouldn't the Panther be doctrinal anyway? Allied premium mediums are mostly doctrinal and OKW still has the friggen King Tiger.

Jump back to quoted post2 Nov 2019, 06:17 AMCODGUY

It's not viable to nerf the Jackson. USF was complete trash prior to it's health buff. Guess what you'd have to do to balance things out if you significantly nerfed the Jackson? You'd have to make the Panther doctrinal. The autistic screeching from Wehraboos would be deafening. But why shouldn't the Panther be doctrinal anyway? Allied premium mediums are mostly doctrinal and OKW still has the friggen King Tiger.

Jump back to quoted post2 Nov 2019, 06:17 AMCODGUY

It's not viable to nerf the Jackson. USF was complete trash prior to it's health buff. Guess what you'd have to do to balance things out if you significantly nerfed the Jackson? You'd have to make the Panther doctrinal. The autistic screeching from Wehraboos would be deafening. But why shouldn't the Panther be doctrinal anyway? Allied premium mediums are mostly doctrinal and OKW still has the friggen King Tiger.

• Ostheer having stock panther and stock brumbar
  
• Ostheer having the Tiger in almost half of its doctrines
  
• Elefant in two doctrines
  
• OKW having stock panther
  
• OKW stock King Tiger
  
• OKW Jagpanther
  
• Atgun being a joke vs heavy tank, they can depop them from the front.
  

• Stock sherman being AI specialist and poor AT penetration vs Axis Armor values
  
• ATgun behind a specific tier and requiring munition to be effective vs Pz4
  
• Zook being trash if not in blob
  
• USF still having to fight the above with just one unit: the jackson
  
• Really few AT strafing runs, in fact it is maybe the only faction that have only one AT strafing run.
  
• Ez8 being unreliable vs Panther and above
  
• 76mm being unreliable vs Panther and above
  
  

• Make the stock sherman a better generalist tank, reduce the AI and increase the AT (AI can be dealt by the Scott)
  
• Ez8 being superior or equal to the Panther. Is there a rule that say the Panther has to be superior to the Ez8? Imo no. Ez8 could use to be a super premium brawler superior or equal to the panther.
  
• USF could use two different types of Atgun (like in Coh1), one on T2 (better stat, no need munition) and the actual unlock after T3.
  
• Make the Ez8 (or 76mm) Stock and 75mm doctrinal with an attractive price.
  
  
  

Jump back to quoted post2 Nov 2019, 19:43 PMEsxile

Coh2 TDs issue is more about

• Ostheer having the Tiger in almost half of its doctrines
  
• Elefant in two doctrines
  
• OKW having stock panther
  
• OKW stock King Tiger
  
• OKW Jagpanther
  
• Atgun being a joke vs heavy tank, they can depop them from the front.
  

More specifically about the Jackson

• ATgun behind a specific tier and requiring munition to be effective vs Pz4
  
• Zook being trash if not in blob
  
• USF still having to fight the above with just one unit: the jackson
  
• Really few AT strafing runs, in fact it is maybe the only faction that have only one AT strafing run.
  
• Ez8 being unreliable vs Panther and above
  
• 76mm being unreliable vs Panther and above
  
  

Some ideas:

• Make the stock sherman a better generalist tank, reduce the AI and increase the AT (AI can be dealt by the Scott)
  
• Ez8 being superior or equal to the Panther. Is there a rule that say the Panther has to be superior to the Ez8? Imo no. Ez8 could use to be a super premium brawler superior or equal to the panther.
  
• USF could use two different types of Atgun (like in Coh1), one on T2 (better stat, no need munition) and the actual unlock after T3.
  
• Make the Ez8 (or 76mm) Stock and 75mm doctrinal with an attractive price.
  
  
  

Jump back to quoted post2 Nov 2019, 19:45 PMT.R. Stormjäger

I actually agree with everything, I’ve been thnking about nerfing the Jackson and putting the E8 in more doctrines as a lite Panther alternative.

Jump back to quoted post2 Nov 2019, 19:43 PMEsxile

Coh2 TDs issue is more about

• Ostheer having stock panther and stock brumbar
  
• Ostheer having the Tiger in almost half of its doctrines
  
• Elefant in two doctrines
  
• OKW having stock panther
  
• OKW stock King Tiger
  
• OKW Jagpanther
  
• Atgun being a joke vs heavy tank, they can depop them from the front.
  

More specifically about the Jackson

• Stock sherman being AI specialist and poor AT penetration vs Axis Armor values
  
• ATgun behind a specific tier and requiring munition to be effective vs Pz4
  
• Zook being trash if not in blob
  
• USF still having to fight the above with just one unit: the jackson
  
• Really few AT strafing runs, in fact it is maybe the only faction that have only one AT strafing run.
  
• Ez8 being unreliable vs Panther and above
  
• 76mm being unreliable vs Panther and above
  
  

Some ideas:

• Make the stock sherman a better generalist tank, reduce the AI and increase the AT (AI can be dealt by the Scott)
  
• Ez8 being superior or equal to the Panther. Is there a rule that say the Panther has to be superior to the Ez8? Imo no. Ez8 could use to be a super premium brawler superior or equal to the panther.
  
• USF could use two different types of Atgun (like in Coh1), one on T2 (better stat, no need munition) and the actual unlock after T3.
  
• Make the Ez8 (or 76mm) Stock and 75mm doctrinal with an attractive price.
  
  
  

Jump back to quoted post31 Oct 2019, 16:04 PMT.R. Stormjäger

Jackson needs a real nerf, not the garbage +5 fuel nerf.

Jump back to quoted post31 Oct 2019, 19:32 PMShadowLinkX37

This will change how easily allied AT guns can hit heavies + panthers, making them more accurate as well.

Agree with stormjager. Jackson needs an actual nerf instead of: who would win? 68 tons on krupp steel vs one open top boi.

Jump back to quoted post1 Nov 2019, 16:18 PMVipper

M36 was buffed thru the roof 2 year ago and USF had survived with normal M36 just fine for years

Jump back to quoted post3 Nov 2019, 01:30 AMaerafield

No they did not, in 2v2 and upwards, USF was nothing but ambulance and Calliope slave for the team over years.

Jackson was shit tier vs massive panther/ele/JP4/pak etc. gameplay as it constantly died immediately. Even a P4 was an insane threat for it if the map had enough sightblockers

And since AT guns suck at a stage of a match where the opponent has a lot indirect fire, superheavies or assault guns, you always had to duck behind your teammates Tank Destroyers.

Jump back to quoted post3 Nov 2019, 02:31 AMVipper

In team games and especially 4vs4 which you are probably referring each faction bring to the team what is good at, if other faction had better TDs that is what they would bring. USF survived for a long time and was even OP at some point with having the "monstrosity" m36 currently is.

Elephant and JP4 have already been nerfed so the current state is nothing like before.

Bottom line is "USF collapse without the "monstrosity" m36" is just theory and unless tested it will remain so. Worst case scenario one can simply revert the changes if USF start to struggle.

Jump back to quoted post3 Nov 2019, 08:35 AMEsxile

M36 haven't been buffed but re-balanced around better survivability at cost of less damage. The unit is simply less of a coin toss today. And don't get it wrong we had the same bunch of whiner about it when RNG was in it favour.