How to counter Elite Troops Doctrine - Panzer Grens

Jump back to quoted post29 Oct 2019, 22:42 PMComrade-Jayray

I was in a 2v2 recently. The team i was against were both Whermacht, both used the Elite Troops Doctrine commander, both used pure Panzergren bulletins, Both had Jager Light Infantry upgrades on said PanzerGrens.


I then decided to get Shock Troops. Nothing happen, my shock troops got absolutely spit roasted by these Panzer Grens. Am i genuinely suprised, How can Panzergrens with Medium/long range rifles beat my armoured shocks in CQB?

I did admitedly go Conscript heavy, not penals.

Jump back to quoted post30 Oct 2019, 14:56 PMWarIdiot

Pgrens with g43's are an almost useless upgrade. Use sight blockers and smoke to get as close as you can while minimizing the damage, Shocks Troops should normally rip them apart like piranhas if they get too close, use grenades and avoid their grenades.

Always go for penals they are generally better than cons in almost everything and with vet 3 you don't even need a shock troop. TBH

Jump back to quoted post30 Oct 2019, 15:34 PMComrade-Jayray

I mean admitedly i had 1 shock vs 3 Pgrens. But i was vet 2 and they were unvetted.

I enjoy penals, but you lose the utility of the conscripts.

AT nades, Molotovs, better flanking potential due to OORAH ect.

If i was going penal heavy, would 3 penals + 1 con be good?

Currently i am going 3 cons, 1 penal, 1 scout car

Jump back to quoted post30 Oct 2019, 14:56 PMWarIdiot

Pgrens with g43's are an almost useless upgrade.

Jump back to quoted post30 Oct 2019, 14:56 PMWarIdiot

Pgrens with g43's are an almost useless upgrade. Use sight blockers and smoke to get as close as you can while minimizing the damage, Shocks Troops should normally rip them apart like piranhas if they get too close, use grenades and avoid their grenades.

Always go for penals they are generally better than cons in almost everything and with vet 3 you don't even need a shock troop. TBH

Jump back to quoted post29 Oct 2019, 22:42 PMComrade-Jayray

I then decided to get Shock Troops. Nothing happen, my shock troops got absolutely spit roasted by these Panzer Grens. Am i genuinely suprised, How can Panzergrens with Medium/long range rifles beat my armoured shocks in CQB?

Jump back to quoted post17 May 2020, 17:50 PMLady Xenarra

As you can see from the above, there is little point in getting G43s for Pzgrens unless you're desperate for Interrogation or something. For all distances except far, it is a net downgrade.

Moving accuracy of 0.8 vs 0.75 for G43 vs (stock) StG44s. Granted there is a possibly higher moving dps for G43s (if I've understood the burst + CD modifiers) but most fights will be static shoot-outs. Maybe someone else can figure out what the effective moving DPS are for the two, I've gone into enough detail as is for this post.