Profile of Junaid

the beginning sum of each faction are pretty similar at this point.

(working off memory)

OKW
300+ 240 = 540
sov:
170 + 390 = 560
US:
160 + 400 = 560
UK:
280 + 290= 570

I do not think that the other faction really outproduce the OKW in the beginning.

if the intent is to to allow for more variation for the okw without buffing them, I would switch the sturm for the kubelwagon and refund the extra mp.

210 + 350 = 560

+1 what firesparks said. This mp buff has no reason really.

I think its Ost t4 price that needs looking at.

1: UKF need to spend fuel for T2 and then another 400mp+45 fuel on upgrades

2: you don't even mention the fact IS cost 280mp per squad

3: ost BP1 costs 40 fuel

4: it's silly to include the soviet AT nade in the comparison when the faust is free

Ost spend less fuel and MP for their general infantry, add in CAS LMG cheese and the match up is suddenly extremely unbalanced

First: we need to decide what mine and your posts were about. I thought it was purely about how IS have to pay for their upgrades but ost grenadiers don't. I merely set out to correct that flaw in reasoning. To answer you:

1. Ost needs to spend 200mp 15 fuel for T2 as well. I wasn't out to compare the teching costs of higher tiers, only as much as is needed for grens vs IS . Ost has to pay 80mp 10 fuel to access them. Compared to IS (which are tech free). I did not include the IS squad size upgrade because that's a much more powerful upgrade when compared with lmgs/nades. That we can debate on, if you want.

2. The whole point was not to compare their performance straight-up. Just the upgrade costs. For that you'd need dps and effective health stats at various vet/upgrade levels.

3. No it costs 45, I'm pretty sure about this.

4. I did say that that was a pure hypothetical. That and the hypothetical osheer 5 man upgrade. I'm not counting those as facts, and neither should you. They were purely there to illustrate the mp/fuel thing i.e. UKF pays more in mp but Ost pays more in fuel.

I reiterate: the balance ramifications of that price differential, I leave up to others.

Edit: How is CAS cheese even remotely relevant to this? Edit: While I'm sure it is very frustrating to fight against cheese, its hardly balance to base the whole game around it. I mean, that'll just make everyone cheese instead of the cheesers.

it's worse than that, grens don't need to ... spend 400mp+45fuel in upgrades just to have basic things like grenades and lmg's

Not quite my friend. I've done the numbers on this:

For grens you spend 80/10 (T1 cost - included because brits don't have to spend anything to access IS) just to access them, then 100/45 (BP1) to access lmgs, nades.

End Result: 180 mp, 55 fuel.

UKF IS:

150/15 : racks
150/15 : nades.

End result: 300 mp, 30 fuel.

Overall, seems ost is supposed to spend more fuel and UKF more manpower. (I did not include the squad size upgrade because, if that is included as well, then the IS becomes superior to the grenadier so its no longer a basis for equalizing the costs)

Of-course this doesn't take into account the faust, but then UKF isn't designed with infantry with snares, and have access to other upgrades (Squad size) which grens don't so the argument could swing the other way too. Which is why I haven't included it.

If we include a hypothetical cost of 100mp 15 fu as hypothetical ostheer squad size upgrade and 125mp 25 fu (Soviet At nade price) as hypothetical UKF IS snare upgrade the new, hypothetical costs become:

Ost grens: 280mp 80 fuel

UKF IS: 425mp 55 fuel.

Again, one side has a mp advantage (145mp), the other has fuel advantage. (25 fuel)

Whether that is balanced, I leave for everyone here to decide. I feel it would be fair to equalize the costs however.

actually they can also hold fire and neutralize points more quickly.so its sorta like a stronger version of Jaeger light infantry.

Learnt something new there. Thank you