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Thread: Schwerer so broken, will it be fixed in the upcoming patch?14 Mar 2015, 23:02 PM Jump back to quoted post14 Mar 2015, 22:16 PMAlexzandvar He actually suggested something, instead of shooting down every suggestion because in your hypothetical world it's impossible. Amazing suggestion. Schwerer behind shot blocker - end of story. Jump back to quoted post14 Mar 2015, 22:18 PMAchtAchter Cheaper than a schwere panzer hq Guard motor comes with 2x t34/85 + mark vehicle, such a bad doctrine to take a KT out. This is pure troll. And Guard motor will do nothing agaisnt KT+Pak43. So in fact I have to play against OKW with only 1 doctrine? That's amazing. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Schwerer so broken, will it be fixed in the upcoming patch?14 Mar 2015, 22:14 PM Jump back to quoted post14 Mar 2015, 21:44 PMAlexzandvar wow accusing some one of bias with zero argument attached, gotta love it. How about making even a passing attempt here, instead of jumping on your high horse. No need for argument agasint someone who says get AT gun, schwerer will go down. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Schwerer so broken, will it be fixed in the upcoming patch?14 Mar 2015, 22:13 PM Jump back to quoted post14 Mar 2015, 21:31 PMPorygon Getting a 120 or pack howie is very hard, okay. Pack howie...So cheap and comes with AT mine % MG. 120mm comes with IS2, ISU so you dont need to bother with late game KT. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Schwerer so broken, will it be fixed in the upcoming patch?14 Mar 2015, 21:14 PM Jump back to quoted post14 Mar 2015, 20:46 PMAchtAchter When you start talking about Obers you imply that you face a combined arms force trying to repel your attack on the schwerer HQ. That's a completely different case. Why shouldn't beat Obers + Schwerer your at gun? If you want to take out combined arms forces, you need some of your own. Schwerer Panzer HQ, don't withstand a combined arms attack. If you don't have arguments, just stay quiet and don't rely on Ad Hominem arguments, that's just low class. Even so, by simply addition you could realize I faced OKW over 100 times at least. Not to mention how often I play OKW and witnessed getting a Schwerer Panzer HQ get easily taken out by good players. By saying it's so easy etc you are proving that you are pro axis. Well placed Schwerer is very, very hard to deal with it. End of story. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Schwerer so broken, will it be fixed in the upcoming patch?14 Mar 2015, 20:27 PM Jump back to quoted post14 Mar 2015, 20:11 PMAchtAchter At Guns take out schwerer HQ with attack ground 100 % you don't need a spotter. You can use two combat engineers + a mortar. Or you can use a decoy tank and two engineers. So or so it's the T4 building and shouldn't be taken out easily when placed defensive. 120 munitions is a pretty cheap price to destroy that building, but you fail to see that. You can use a sherman tank (smoke) + paratroopers, major artillery, assault engineers. It's easy to take out that building, therefore it was buffed after WFA was released. The problem is that the vanilla factions have no teching features. USF get free squads, OKW get's utility buildings. Rather than nerfing the new factions, the old factions could need some love. Im sorry, but you are like Kronosaurus. Your card tells us everything about how many times you faced schwerer. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Schwerer so broken, will it be fixed in the upcoming patch?14 Mar 2015, 16:53 PM Jump back to quoted post14 Mar 2015, 16:43 PMFaustCostBulletin That's why you kill OKW's cache bonus; reduce it to 0. And reduce Luftwaffe Supply again. When/if that happens, I would be in paradise. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Schwerer so broken, will it be fixed in the upcoming patch?14 Mar 2015, 16:40 PM Jump back to quoted post14 Mar 2015, 16:38 PMAlexzandvar If you had to pay teching costs to get those units then it would be more balanced I would be 100% in favor of them. It would make OKW a million times more OP and you would see KT doctrine commander everywhere because you just chopped 150 fuel of the price and made it far far easier to get. Like dude I know your trying to fix shit but this is just flying in the face of all logic, it's really really sad so see someone who whines about OKW wanting to give them the gift of call in meta spam KT's. You still dont see the point. KT would arrive about 25-30min, not 14min in team games. And no one said you have to tech all trucks to get double Pz4. Two trucks are just fine. And I would love to see such commander cause this means no Pak43 or any other amazing doctrinal abilities. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Schwerer so broken, will it be fixed in the upcoming patch?14 Mar 2015, 16:34 PM Jump back to quoted post14 Mar 2015, 16:27 PMAlexzandvar A unit that costs more should always be better because you have to wait longer to get it and pay MORE for it. This is the entire basis of which every RTS is founded on, the cost of your army shouldn't be twice as more as the opponents and lose just because ~reasons~ if you are playing with equal amounts of skill. The KT is the most expensive tank in the game dude, the Panther for Ostheer is the most expensive Ostheer tank in the game factoring teching costs. Call in meta is stupid, and the fact you want to make OKW like that is just soul breaking because it would make OKW a lot more OP. Contrary, it would not make OKW more OP. It would make it less OP. As Soviets or Ostheer you need to have call in commander. Because of this, very good, useful commanders won't be seen, becasue they don't have Tiger/IS call in. As OKW, you give a garden commanders. You can use all of them and you won't lose anything. If I want to use anti infatry doctrine as Soviets, Im losing IS2. If I want to use lefh doctrine I won't get a Tiger. As OKW you can go for whatever you want since you always have KT. Pak43+KT? Fucking broken. In 4v4 you can even go for Jadgtiger + KT. Even more fucking broken (but that happens only with ver, very long 4v4s). Putting KT in place of Pz4 in elite armor for example would change a lot. Now you have to decide if you want KT or Pak. KT or Jadgtiger. KT or... That's not OP, that's the way it should be. Let me put it in different angle. Image Ostheer with non doctrinal Pak43 + doctrinal Tiger Ace, Elephnat or Tiger. Or non doc B-4 + doctrinal IS2. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Schwerer so broken, will it be fixed in the upcoming patch?14 Mar 2015, 16:21 PM Jump back to quoted post14 Mar 2015, 16:17 PMAlexzandvar Cost has everything to do with it. The KT costs 380 fuel if you count the first HQ as free, that's almost twice the cost of an IS2. Obers are BS, but you seriously need to get out of this Krupp steel "everything about Axis is OP" when most games never drag on long enough for it to be an issue. I wish I could actually play with KT's and Jadgtigers but the game normally never drags on that long. A unit costing more beating a unit that costs less is 100% fine and if you think units that cost less should outperform a unit in the same roll that costs more your insane. Are obers BS? yes. Do we need to nuke all of OKW including the Panther and KT? No. There are things about each faction that make no sense. You still dont see the point. It's not: A costs more and has to be better. Its: Why A always costs more and has to be better? This is why you see many threads about A and very few about B. KT is expensive but in 4v4 can hot the field 10mins before IS2 that's why it should cost a bit more but be in doctrine with 13 CP call in. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Schwerer so broken, will it be fixed in the upcoming patch?14 Mar 2015, 16:13 PM Jump back to quoted post14 Mar 2015, 16:07 PMAlexzandvar Wow, things that cost MORE are better than things that cost less? Jesus christ this is the revelation of the century! A Panther which costs 40 fuel more is better? A KT, the most expensive tank in the game, is better than a tank you don't need to tech for? Obers which cost 400 MP are better than units that DON'T take teching and cost lower amounts of MP? Say it ain't so! The Stuka which costs 15 fuel more in a fuel starved faction is better than the Kat? Jeeze man some intense wisdom being laid down in this thread. And lol the Ost mortar being better, I would sacrifice my cat to give Ostheer mortars precision strike. I like how you cannot understand unit costs, like at all. This is not about costs... Garden me... This is about Axis having best units in the end. Why we have KT? Let's remove KT and leave OKW with single Tiger so IS2 will be best one. And since you don't play 1v1, cost does not matter because in team games KT can hit the field 14-18min. Why we don't have more expensive and way better infantry, tanks and other stuff for Allies? This is not about costs it has nothing to do with it. All axis units outpefrorm allied ones in 1v1 engagement of those units. That's why you don't see many thread about OPnes of Allies, because Axis have everything better. How did you even figure out cost while it has nothing to do with thing we are talking about. In: COH2 Gameplay