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Thread: First Review British Forces25 Aug 2015, 16:37 PM Jump back to quoted post25 Aug 2015, 12:45 PMAlexzandvar The Panther's turret turns like it's a heavy tank. This is gold. Panther's turret is almost twice faster than Tiger's or IS's and over 2 times fater than KT's, while it's almost same for Jackson, Pz4 and other mediums. And it's faster than Wolverine's turret. At vet 3 only T34/85, Sherman and Pz4 have noticeable faster turret. Really gold. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: M26 Pershing/Calliope Debate24 Aug 2015, 19:59 PM Jump back to quoted post24 Aug 2015, 19:54 PMMr. Someguy So does the T-34/85 with SU-85, or Jagdpanzer with Panther, or Elefant with Pak 43, etc. Same gun doesn't mean same role or same effectiveness in CoH2. I never meant same effectiveness. I meant that it's going to be quite powerul since M26 uses the same and since Pershing would arrive a way later than Jackson. In: Lobby
Thread: M26 Pershing/Calliope Debate24 Aug 2015, 19:52 PM Jump back to quoted post24 Aug 2015, 19:46 PMMr. Someguy 1. By the time the Pershing arrived, Germany's fate was already sealed. The US Army was advancing so quickly they had to stop and wait for the supply lines to catch up. The Pershing did nothing to change the outcomne of the war. It just rolled in at the very end and claimed Victory when it hardly deserved a participation award. Well, you can say that about almost every OKW vehicle Jump back to quoted post24 Aug 2015, 18:42 PMAlexzandvar M10's are actually one of the best AT options in the game due to the combination of insanely high speed, crush, ROF, and turret traverse. Shreks to counter M10's is also p lol suggestion. The correct way is lots of mines, Paks, and mediums. Long gone are the days of ALWAYS going for heavies, since most of the time they just aren't worth the wait and are to easy to swarm (especially so in the case of the JT). Yes, because 4 schrecks blob on the flank won't scare away M10 M10 is not bad. It's very good, but when game lasts for 40min+ it's most of the time vet-food for JPIV, TA and stuff like that. Then you need better armor (Pershing) or better pen and higher range (Jackson). In: Lobby
Thread: M26 Pershing/Calliope Debate24 Aug 2015, 17:45 PM Jump back to quoted post24 Aug 2015, 15:40 PMkamk It was to make a point, that you can always use some random value and start comparing in terms of "the grass is greener on the other side". As you say yourself now: many commanders, many units, and flexibility. One game you will face Sherman spam, but next time you will fight against Jacksons, M10s, or a bunch of ATs - you see where this goes? USF has flexibility, it just isn't easy to use, not really apparent, and certainly quite frustrating to use sometimes. That's two different factions you're facing there, one unit is doctrinal, and none of these are an issue for USF. With current meta it feels like i see M10s more often than Jacksons. E8 just doesn't have a good trade off anymore. So how would a Pershing help the faction AT wise? So you can fight a Panther with your own "Panther"? That's it? Fine, add the damn thing... late game gonna be the same though. (my point being: nice to have thing, not necessary, and certainly no real help with the faction overall) edit: miragefla has some nice ideas there, but that should be another topic IMO Well, but we can agree that M10s, 57mm and Shermans will fail against Tiger Ace, or KT+JT combo. You can't outrange them, you have low chance to pen front armor, you can't flank (beacause of map or because of mines/paks/shcrecks and even if you do, there is high chance you will lose your M10s while KT will survive with almost no health. It's not about if they are big issue for USF. It's about late game options you have. You can rely on Paks and call Tiger; Pak+Pz4 into Elephant; Pak43+panther; Volks+Raketens until KT/JT or make 2-3 JPIV instead of waiting for KT and no matter which way you choose, your late game AT will be truly powerful. And it's not about fighting Panther with your own Panther. It's about having unit which can jump out around the corner in front of Panther/Tiger/King Tiger, take few shoots, and still survive, while it's also able to inflict damage. Right now you can fight only at distance, which is not superior to axis units in fact. In: Lobby
Thread: M26 Pershing/Calliope Debate24 Aug 2015, 14:51 PM Why would you think only about non-doc options if you will always have something doctrinal? Like I said before, it's about diversity. Soviets, Wehrmacht, OKW, even Brits have many ways to deal with late-game armor. Many units, many commanders which lead to flexibility so in one game you can see Paks+Panters but in another you will face Tiger or Elephant. Same for OKW. Once you will stand agasint JPs IV spam, but next time you will fight agasint Panthers, Jadgtiger or Pak43. Your enemy cannot predict from first second of the game, what will be your late-game option because you have plenty ways. As US Forces there is only Jackson, and since the first minute, you know that you will see them at some point in front of your JP/Panther/Tiger. Of course, there is also Wolverine or E8 but they are not truly late game AT options when compare to JP or Panther. I'm not talking about 1v1 when you can go for Sherman spam. I'm talking about 2v2. In: Lobby
Thread: M26 Pershing/Calliope Debate24 Aug 2015, 07:50 AM Jump back to quoted post24 Aug 2015, 07:42 AMEsxile And what make you suppose a M26 would have 200 pen? It shares gun with M36. In: Lobby
Thread: UKF - Know your commanders24 Aug 2015, 07:45 AM Jump back to quoted post23 Aug 2015, 18:54 PMKatitof This is what happens if you will use flamer on vehicle. If we had a train in coh2, it would whole light up, would that mean flamer range is 200 units then? That insane splash from KV8. In: Lobby
Thread: M26 Pershing/Calliope Debate24 Aug 2015, 07:26 AM It's not about fixing anyting. It's about late game AT options. Units with pen 200 or higher: Wehrmacht: Pak40, Pak43 Stug G, Tiger, Panther, Elephant. OKW: Raketen, Pak43, JP IV, Panther, Command Panther, Sturmtiger, King Tiger, Jadgtiger. SU: ZiS-3, SU-76, SU-85, KV-2, IS-2, ISU-152. USF: Jackson Pershing would add more deep to USF. More late-game options cause currently it's just Jackson spam. Also, why USF is the only faction with 1 unit which has 200+ pen? It's not good design when only 1 unit has good penetration. For the people saying that we will see Pershing every single game - you said same thing about E8 yet after first week since release when there hype for E8 was gone, Infantry and Airborne went back as a better choices. In: Lobby
Thread: Sturmtiger poll23 Aug 2015, 23:27 PM Jump back to quoted post23 Aug 2015, 22:55 PMRobbie_Rotten I can only imagine how much whine there would be if allies had anything equivalent to the Sturmtiger. It would be precisionstrike2.0 Wait for AVRE nerf threads In: COH2 Balance
Thread: UKF - Know your commanders23 Aug 2015, 14:38 PM Jump back to quoted post23 Aug 2015, 14:33 PMdasheepeh thats like 40 - 45 range at most Look at fire splash area. From the gun to the end of splash it's like 3/4 of the screen. In: Lobby