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Yeah multiple garrisoned maxims are tough to deal with as early OKW, and it's been like that since alpha for me.

Sturmpios, actually, thanks to their high DPS they don't need a grenade or ability to seriously fuck up anything inside of a building if they get up close. If it's an HMG, even easier, just circle around the building at regular intervals, they won,t be able to fire at you.

Albeit Volks grenades and, if you wanna take the risk, Stukas also work.

With the lack of smoke for OKW it can be hard to find a safe approach. Both of the above can work, especially if used together, but it's not so easy when there are 3 or 4 maxims to fight. Pretty map-dependent though.

But anyway, any hints to possible kubel changes in the test build?

Similar to what has been mentioned, my worst is when I bought a wehr sniper to fight soviet weapons teams and he got countersniped by, of all things, a zis direct shot (not barrage).

Another is when a panzer IV rushed and destroyed my jackson (my only at) after three rifle grenades bounced off in a row.

God created the world in a week so this shouldnt take more than a few hours.

I mean Brad and Peter are cool guys, but I wouldn't call them gods. Angels of death, perhaps? Or angels of salt, given all the tears shed by allies after the kubel's latest buff.

Volks have better max range dps than conscripts, but conscripts win up close, so winning engagements depends on your positioning, among other things.

I've had success with conscripts vs OKW using two different commanders. Here's a nice commander reference guide made by our community.

The first, one I hadn't used in a long time until recently is Guards Rifle Combined Arms Tactics (Guards, Hit the Dirt, PPSH, howitzer, IL2 strafe).

The build is 3x Conscript, t1 for either sniper or m3, 1 or 2 guards, t4 for Su85s and Kats.

As stated, the build revolves around Combined Arms. Earlygame requires smart use of the 3 conscripts to pick fights where you will win or harass territory if they're bunched up. Conscripts succeed by doubling up vs 1 squad, using buildings, getting up close to volks, cutting off, whatever they can do to stall for the first fight or two.
The engineer caps one point and then builds t1 so you can have a sniper or flamer m3 to support the conscripts. The m3 isnt as timid vs OKW as it is vs Wehr's panzerfausts, so you can push back volk and sturm alike until they upgrade a shreck or get a raketenwerfer, in which case the m3 is maneuverable enough to flank or harass other spots.
You only really need 1 sniper, just enough to pick off charging sturms and spot/harass HMGs so conscripts can flank. Hit the dirt has its uses, and can help stall while the sniper picks off important targets. Then guards come in to help hold ground and solidify your combined arms. This build doesn't really let you spam mines because you have to save up munis for some guards and PPSHs for conscripts.
This grants a pretty good early midgame with this build, though, because empowered conscripts, a sniper, and guards work pretty well together vs OKW. The build is mobile enough to dodge IFGs, capable enough to compete with OKW midgame infantry, and versatile enough to hold off light vehicles. OKW structures have counters in the form of the Katyusha, SU85, and ML-20 (I dare you to put down a forward HQ!).
Vs the terror of OKW lategame the sniper (with vet1 sprint he's hard to kill) and IL2 can help support conscripts and guards vs Obers and blobs. Also, Su85s and guards are still a very potent combo vs heavy vehicles, especially if you can keep an SU85 alive to vet 3 for that insane rate of fire! No flashy tanks, though. Most importantly, the build is fun to use because I sure don't see it too often lately.


As for other conscript-centric builds I enjoy counterattack tactics a lot. On maps like Stalingrad I avoid maxims and try to outmaneuver and harass with conscripts using molotovs until you get shocks, which is where the tide turns. If you haven't tried the KV-1 in a while you should, it's not useless like it was initially. It has awesome armor and a decent gun, so it's good as a frontline tank coordinating with other armor or AT, not attempting to solo lategame armor. Use it with Su85s, Zis, or flanking t34s because it can survive frontal engagements while other units support it.

Got kinda off-topic but I do think a 3 or 4 conscript start does have a place vs OKW with the right support.

I doubt most people in this thread have tried these commanders, so most of the complaining about the OKW commanders seems to be because some units are taken from the Wehrmacht army instead of being new and shiny. Here's why I think these commanders are unique.

The Fortifications doctrine gives OKW powerful defensive options that they don't have naturally. The craziest feature, though, is zeroing artillery. This is the single most powerful nuke in the game imo. Use zeroing artillery (or, god forbid, have it used against you!) and then try to come back and say it isn't a valuable doctrine.

The scavenger doctrine may or may not have shifted in power as OKW game mechanics changed, so i'm not sure about its overall power. Jaeger infantry are pretty fun units though. They have crazy range and speed. You can use them alone for fast harassing or in pairs to kite enemies. The theme of this doctrine is scavenging for more resources, so having the ostwind as a normally unused and repurposed vehicle from the eastern front seems cool to me, but that's my opinion and I enjoy thematic style over historical accuracy in my video games.

To be honest i've never used Elite Armored Doctrine but in the context of the OKW army the p4s, especially since they're vetted up to 2 or higher for great armor values, can be quite powerful, especially when enhanced by all the doctrinal abilities. And you get TWO of them, which is great. Considering the fragility of american armor and the insignificance of bazookas once any decent armor value is involved I can see these giving a force of 2 or 3 american tanks a run for their money, tank destroyer or not.

Personally I've been absolutely blown away by the quality and diversity in WFA's commanders for both new armies. After playing with almost every one I've found that each one has its own flavor and strengths in the right context and none of them seem objectively inferior or OP. They offer unique tactical options and builds, a seemingly balanced (its early, I know) playing field, and a way to tailor strategies to a personal style or flavor.

You're complaining about "copy and paste" of units when these units fill important niches that OKW are otherwise lacking. If you want copy and paste, look at the relatively large volume of boring and inferior doctrines from the base armies, particularly the ToW and launch dlc commanders.

Anyway sorry, wall of text above. I don't mean to say any other opinions are wrong. I guess I just feel differently, perhaps because I see plenty of strategic variety in them, which I personally like over "ooo X unit is cool even though it's functionally a reskinned Y."