Would this be so much different from what it does allready? Besides, killing one model at 5 seconds would be nasty for grenadiers, so-so for volkgrenadiers and rifles, and not such a big deal for soviets. Model numbers in a squad it's not counted among soviet weaknesses ya know.
Considering it needs 20 seconds of shooting while stationary at max range at no cover pio?
Answer it yourself.
Also answer yourself how would the bigger squad count matter if you got 2 of them.
I'd love to see 222 and M20 getting long range DPS buffs, so they are actually a threat, but 222 in coh1 was deemed fragile, but with overpowered DPS. And as an avid user of them back then, yea, it would be absolutely horrible to have something like that in coh2. Middle ground between that and current coh2 222 would be sufficient. |
And that would be wrong because....
I don't know.
Imagine M20 killing a model every 5 seconds from max range.
You see the picture yet? |
They destroy them quickly, because everyone uses and blobs them now.
You never had con PTRS blobs before, because it was gimmick that didn't worked, you didn't had guards blob before because weapon piniatas who said "sorry for the damage" and donated their weapons to opponent constantly and were ineffective themselves.
Now that the weapons are actually used en mass people noticed what was always happening.
And ffs, I've said I HAVE played against this and I have countered it-exact situation, 4-5 PTRS con blob against HMG and I chased them off multiple times using 1 HMG, 1 251, 1 pio and 1 gren without LMG. You don't need 251, suppress, move in with pios, lob rnade, force mass retreat, repair HMG.
You CAN NOT expect a sinle HMG to fend off them, it will slow them down, but it won't survive that, just like it wouldn't if 4 of any other non engineer infantry attacked it.
I'm applying common sense here simply.
Also, regarding your 5 con blob, well, welcome to the reality of other side, sov and USF had to put up with it since the very first day of OKW existence.
I've already explained how Ost can deal with it. As OKW use your new ISG which is made specifically to hardcounter blobs by pinning them with single shot. |
Got to agree with Bulgakov on bad design.
Smaller then coh1 maps coupled with lack of effective, reliable blob counters is a pain.
In coh1 quickly landing off-maps, instant retreat prop arty and light/medium armor that actually destroyed blobs was partial solution to the problem as the blobs were still ever present, but you had more effective tools to deal with them.
CoH2? Pinplanes, stuka zu fuss, ISU and thats pretty much it. Usually its just the bigger blob. |
Well, versatility of USF comes with upgrades for infantry in theory.
In practice, there is not enough upgrades ensuring interesting, diverse play.
Even the dreaded brits had more options then USF for early game and weapon upgrades.
As for OKW, they have limited first 2-3 min BOs, still more then what USF got, but once trucks are set or they reach 1-2 CP their options get much more diverse so they don't really have as much problems with it. |
Does it really make that big f a difference to you?
You'd prefer if the cons for next engagement had HMG behind their back?
And for the 45481957 time, PTRS ALWAYS targeted weapon teams, like FOREVER, guards attacking mortar team from max range would kill the crew and almost destroy the weapon itself and that was for last 2 years, that was ONE OF THE REASONS WE SEE WEAPON HEALTH NOW together with rnades.
And since I've drifted to rnades, lets fix that first, because it destroys maxims since forever as well and was a problem well, well before PTRS. Up for that?
In the meanwhile, if you are to distracted to watch weapon health bar, you deserve to lose the weapon.
Actually, you'd lose it anyway as I've already explained, difference is it won't be used against you. |
Are you even listening to yourself? They made minor changes after 6 months, that is half of a freaking year. You praise them for doing almost nothing to the balance in 6 months, praise them for what? They sell a product, updating it once every 6 months with minor changes ain't going to cut it. They stress the little player base that hey have as it is, this will be their downfall if they keep up this lazy development.
To be honest, I can hardly wait for it to fall apart for them, they deserve it.
Are you really that dumb to make yourself believe that fixing ost vs USF early game and buffing them against sov all at the same time is "minor change"?
There is nothing wrong with their mid game and they always had strong late game so no changes were needed there. Their only big problem was early game against USF and guess what? Thats exactly what patch fixed.
The MIMIMI mentality of certain players is simply astonishing. |
Its certainly not as overpowered as people make them to be.
Against HMGs, what actually prevents you from tracking weapons health?
I have fought both with and against PTRS spam, I have not met a SINGLE player yet who would repair HMGs or even paid attention to weapon health, meanwhile I am using HMGs as the devs explained and intended, together with spotting pios, I am able to suppress conblob from afar, when move in with pios and rack up kills forcing him to retreat well before my HMG drops too low, after engagement I repair it asap and reposition/reinforce(as I use 251 often).
Its a matter of adaptation first and foremost and just because they can fight LMG blobs now doesn't make them OP.
I can see a cost increase to PTRS, but nothing more really. |
What your describing assumes there is no counter system. MGs should counter Cons. 4 cons with the PTRS upgrade can walk up and snipe an mg now. That shouldn't be the case.
Just to be clear, are you saying that there is no problem balance wise with mass PTRS upgrades on conscripts??
4 grens counter single MG.
4 volks counter single MG.
4 rifles counter single MG.
Why 4 cons shouldn't?
I don't see many people complaining that 1 AT gun can't stop 4 tanks/light vehicles by itself even if the AT gun is PaK43. |
Truck pushing is gone, just like your EX, it left a hole in you and you might feel empty, but at the end it will be all right so move on already, just like your ex, its not going to be back with you. |