Hi Aaron,
SU-85s are very strong but certainly not OP. There are many counters to it as listed by you. Panzershrecks, panzer 4 flanks, paks, fausts and so on. The trouble for the Ostheer player is actually combining these together to effectively deal with the SU-85, which is difficult as any 1 of these counters alone would not be enough to deal with SU-85s. That I think is your problem.
Btw a problem is that since the game is so young and the meta has not been defined yet, I will change my BOs multiple times. I have discovered a much better BO for Germans:
T1->gren->mg->gren->mg->gren->T2
Forget about the flamer halftrack, upgrade your grens with lmgs as you can vet them up and steamroll through the conscripts. Get a halftrack but no need to upgrade them with flamers unless you see maxims. Use it to reinforce. Get scout cars preferbly 2 if you see enemy scout cars. Scout cars are very good at killing infantry when you have 2 of them together as you can kite with them so long as you're careful not getting them AT naded. Otherwise get more panzergrenadiers and tech to T3. Try this BO, it's less micro-intensive then the other BO I gave you and I think you should have more success with it.
Now on to dealing with the SU-85:
Now SU-85s are expensive so there is a long window in which the soviet player has only 1 SU-85 on the field. That's when it is most vulnerable and you can usually finish it off with 2-way panzer 4 flank. You should also have been harassing the fuel all game as panzer 4s are going to be your main counter to SU-85. If you only have 1 panzer 4 don't bother charging it unless it's on low health or you can flank it, just keep your panzer 4 on the sides away from the SU-85 to kill harassing soviet infantry. Don't overextend your panzer 4s, make sure you keep a route open to escape until you're ready to send and all out assault to kill the SU-85s. Once the SU-85s go down you can roll into the enemy base and win.
If you don't have the fuel for panzer 4 spam. Then upgrade panzershrecks. Vetted panzershrecks do alot of damage and SU-85s can't kill panzershrecks fast enough. With mg support you can run past the soviet infantry, and damage the SU-85 enough to force it to back away to be repaired. If you group up 2 panzershreck squads you can easily take it out. Also remember to move up your pak with the army to take a few shots at the SU-85 if you have a pak.
If the enemy gets 2 SU-85s you have done something wrong long before if you're not winning. SU-85s are still pretty bad against infantry and if you can't deal with them just spam grenadiers and cap the vps. Otherwise you can go for pak 43 or even the elefant by skipping T3.
You can watch a few replays from the tourney from CondemnationWings who used elefants to counter SU-85s. However it won't work if the opponent knows it's coming as they can counter with T3.
Honestly there are so many ways to take out an SU-85 that it's almost impossible for me to write them all down fully. The trick is combining all these together, charging with panzershrecks, move up the pak, flank around with panzer 4s... If you post a replay I can check where exactly you went wrong. Otherwise if you really can't deal with it, spam grenadiers and keep your armour to the sides of the map away from SU-85s.
Keep up refining your BOs and getting used to getting your units on the field. We can start working on your micro now and winning games
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