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You chose to consult with momo and price during this. I know that because price was messaging me as it was going on. Two people banned for cheating during placements. You had your mind poisoned from the start and were never ready to see this fairly. You have propagated lies and confusion designed to cause as much drama as possible. And are attempting to play the role of Jesus for the crowd.
You lost even though myself and the referees gave you a free win.
You also chose to take me telling everyone to shut the fuck up, as a personal directive to you, when I said it to everyone. I edited the sentence in the chat log cus I was embarrassed I swore and came across so authoritarian. Not to hide any 'bias'.
Your bullshit is not flying with me. In fact you're beginning to look like a very sore loser.
I'm trying to play any role as jesus for the crowd? You mis-interpret my intentions. How am I a sore loser? I congratulated DevM on his victory and advance. I am disputing what was said on stream and steam, and how the rules were thrown out the window during confusion. I was going to take this up privately until you posted this with an altered chat log, even if mis-understood. In fact I wouldn't have taken it personally if not for that and this:
With Price and Momo. The only thing I have ever talked to price about is what strategy to try in the tournament, he has not consulted me with anything else. Momo has recommended I look at the altered chat log you posted, which surprised me, because, if you say it was because you didn't like how that sounded, you would have at least noted something was changed in the original post, I would respect that, you didn't. So to me that seems quite fishy.
2) VON could man up and admit that the game was over.
Because it was VON, you had a P4 with no health and no repairs, 3 Fussis, only one of them with 6 man, 111 MP, 7 Munis, 40 Fuel and NO map control.
DEVM had 2 M10s, 1 Bulldozer Sherman and 1 Stuart. 1 MG, 2 RM and LT + CPT.
P.S. I read your post and couldn't see the Lie from A_E in there, maybe i am blind.
Also don't forget, you said YES to the agreement.
The chat logs were altered in his original post. He's changed them now to the original, but before he had "shut the fuck up" replaced with "be quiet", so as to make it look like I wasn't silenced from what I read.
I would also like to note that, while my army is obviously battered, my P4 was not destroyed, yes it was 1% health, and I had 3 squads and was about to get repairs. However what people keep forgetting is I still had 341 VPS to DevM's 191 VPS, meaning I had time to regroup, rebuild, and repair. People act like they've never seen coh2 miracle comebacks before, in high level play.
As a side note, what is done is done, I am not trying to alter anything or change the course of what has happened in the tournament, like I said, DevM advances, and I have congratulated him for it. My biggest regret in the tournament is not game 4 or 5, but game 1, where I chose to go maxims instead of penals. Maxims, even with bulletins and vet, cannot prevent flanks vs grens with the micro DevM had, I underestimated. I am respectfully upset about how things played out with the rules and what was said on steam and stream however, with game 4 and 5. I hope this issue will never arise again in the future, as it makes me sick to my stomach.
I have the feeling you didnt line everything,because if you only look at the things you underlined you get a different story bcs you dont see the other messages. I played against aimstrong, i didnt feel any bias towards him or me during these matches. I think you are trying to make some things way bigger then they are without seeing the full picture here. And for the record, say you would have been playing luvnest: i personally would have let luvnest continue bcs it was clear he won that game. You should be happy you got a second chance and again im sorry if somehow we made you feel bad even though i dont see how...
The other messages can be seen, I'm merely pointing out the most crucial messages which determined the sequence of events that did occur. I know both you and A_E keep repeating "the rules are in favor of DevM, we gave you a favor", however the rules, from what I read, state to restart the game after every match, and report bugsplat screens, neither of which were done when DevM was giving his opinion. As well as what I have posted above, showing clearly stated bias, word for word, as well as words which, while if they were actually "be quiet", I would have understood the meaning moreover than "shut the fuck up", be it coming right after my opinions were being stated, not after DevM's opinions were being stated. If A_E had said "shut the fuck up everyone", then the message would have been clearer.
Thus, I feel I have been lied to, when A_E posted this thread while changing the chat logs to show that "be quiet" is replacing "shut the fuck up". As well as my understanding of what was said by A_E during the stream clearly stating DevM would "defeat me that game, and defeat me in game 5" before the game was even played. I don't know how much more clearly I can state the obvious issue at hand.
I also feel cheated, considering the rules were altered and broken without reasonable cause and by someone stating bias'd intentions on a public stream while making a very important decision. https://clips.twitch.tv/TawdryLazyInternTwitchRPG
I understand u might have felt silenced even though imo it was clear that it wasnt aimed at you. But you agreed to the terms. It says clear in the chat. You also got to say your opinion, i even asked for it two times bcs u were so silent but u either didnt react or said "im speecheless". And then u said something with karma rng gods, can i take that serious at that moment? :/
I understand you might have felt a bit meh, but shut down? No, i even asked you to talk but you didnt man
With how the situation was handled after wards you mean ae leaving some stuff out in chat. I dont see any misleading things though? Yes leaving things out is never good, but it didnt mislead anyone... AE always has been honest while organising and did everything public. The only thing he did was leaving a few messages out which werent important for the red line of the story. And now he is trying to mislead people?
For real :/
As I was saying, I did explain my opinion but was disagreed with 3 to 1, which I wouldn't mind if it weren't for the bias presented during the stream by A_E before the game was even played, and how you agreed with him. I was unaware of these additional details until after the tournament games concluded, in the clips provided below.
I would not have accepted the conditions had I known I was allowed to press my opinion after (stfu), especially since it was said after DevM had stated his opinion, uninterupted. Not to mention what is seen in the clips provided.
Rules were also clearly broken, and had it been any other player I suspect a different scenario would have arisen.
You were not shut down you just chose to see it that way. I told everyone to shut the Fuck up, wrongly, but everyone. You are now playing the part of Jesus. Very disappointed you chose to do this instead of just speaking up in that chat or to me. I hope the drama is worth it to you.
I didn't choose to do this originally, in fact I was going to talk about this privately. But after seeing the log being edited, and the post made, I felt that was very misleading. Like I said, I don't enjoy stupid drama for a tournament I love being a part of, however the way the whole situation went down, and how it was handled afterwards, is just plain wrong in my honest opinion. Be in my shoes for a minute and see if you would interpret it differently? I sure didn't when I was talking and then silenced.
No, devm would have had faction pick, and the map would have been auto chosen if there would have been a normal g5 and g4 would have been a normal win for you. You wouldn't have gotten choice of faction or map, that's not true :/
Which rules were overlooked?
Pls you weren't shut down, you could have opened your mouth at any moment von cmon . It's just not true, you could have said anything for at least 10 min. Why are you saying you didn't get the chance? Did you really feel that intimidated by ae bcs he said shut up to all of us? I'm really trying to understand, bcs i just don't see how you can say that you didn't get the chance to say anything? :/
Ace game decider: VP leader chooses faction first on a map that has not been played
in set preference order of Faymonville, Kholodny, Crossroads, or Crossing as shown in map pool.
The VP leader is the player who had the most victory points reamining in the game(s) that they won.
The losing player's victory point scores are not taken into account in the games that they lost.
Ensure VP score of winner is written down after every game.
In the event of a bugsplat/ crash: if both players agree - either restart the game or nominate a winner for that game of the match. If no agreement please save the replay and consult the referees.
Please restart CoH2 before any tournament game activity, and close external programmes before playing, to avoid crashes.
Notice something in the rules?
I was waiting for everyone to speak first, as I was discussing my opinion I was shutdown, as I repeat.
1. I didn't say "SHIT TALKING", i said "shit talking".
2. I have seen the screen shot, i was in the chat myself, i asked for the things you found so offensive
3. The "shut the fuck up" was to everybody, not only to vonivan. I noticed that and so did devm. AE was allowed to say that if he quickly wants to get EVERYONE silent. You should know all the things some players say to me during tournaments, i never cry about that as well. Like you never said "shut the fuck up" to get somebody silent lol
4. AND THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ONE: VonIvan wasn't reactin much during the WHOLE CONVERSATION. Not only at that moment, you can also SEE that in the SCREEN SHOTS. VonIvan was really silent from THE BEGINNING. Just to make that clear, i'm not blaiming you vonivan but it's true
So this is a total bull shit argument as well, see the shit talking i ment?
Nothing unfair here, please come with real arguments and really answer my questions or as i said before don't post dude...
I was silent because of the way things were being handled, rules were overlooked and overturned, I wanted to say more and was waiting for everyone to give their side of the story but before I could argue or challenge anything I was shutdown and made to agree with the circumstances shown in chat.
Technically speaking, I should of had one choice of faction or map....
Vonivan do you think you would have won that game? A simple yes or no....
That's a loaded question.
Obviously DevM had an advantage during the game before crash, however I do not think the game was over, I would have, if my P4 was dead, it was not. So I still, while small, had a chance. I also had time with the VPS (I had 312 VPS to devM's 139 VPS), and was about to get sturms to repair it. So the answer is nobody can say for sure in my honest opinion.