Profile of Dullahan

That's the worst excuse ever!
Grens need less to fully reinforce only when they can die less frequently than other Core infantry
In fact no, Grens aren't more versatile than Volks, Rifles or Tommies..
They will suffer casualty in first salvo of changing fire

Considering that there are less grenadiers on the field in the first place, they are certainly going to die a lot less than their opponent on average. (The losing player tends to bleed more manpower reinforcing. That's why they are losing.)

The LMG upgrade lets grenadiers burst down models really fast too you know. Having all that DPS concentrated on one guy also means that taking losses in a fight isn't as big of a deal as it is with allied infantry.

You guys are so focused on "Waaah Grenadiers aren't as good as Riflemen, why are they more expensive to reinforce" you're ignoring how their reinforcement cost fits into their role in the game and the rest of their faction. The Ostheer economy is very different from the American one or the Brit one.

Like sappers or pios. Support unit that can beat many squads up close.

I dunno about you, but I have a blast obliterating emplacements. It's like dominoes once you take out one the rest are usually pretty easy to rip apart.

You pay more because you reinforce less.

If we assume that everyone reinforces from 1 man left in the squad, (And all units follow the traditional reinforcement formula because I haven't memorized this shit.)


Grenadiers reinforce 3 times for 30 mp each = 90 manpower

Rifles reinforce 4 men for 28 mp each = 112 mp

Tommies reinforce 4 men for 28 mp each = 112 mp (They are marginally more efficient if they don't get 5 man thanks to the cost reduction forever ago)

Conscripts reinforce 5 men for 20 mp each = 100 mp.

Volksgrenadiers reinforce 4 men for 25 mp each = 100 mp.

You also have to consider how much each faction is reinforcing. Ostheer usually is support weapon heavy, which don't need to be reinforced as often compared to infantry. And when you are choosing a build order you need to consider how badly manpower bleed will hurt you. Going for a 4x Grenadier build? Then you better be really careful to avoid big losses. Additionally, the nature of LMG's means most of your DPS is concentrated on one model meaning that losing models isn't nearly as detrimental to combat effectiveness as it is for other units.

Grenadiers are probably the best balanced mainline infantry. The only 'issue' is that the MG upgrade is a no-brainer rather than a meaningful choice (unless you have access to G43s), but that is somewhat ameliorated by the faction having a lot of other uses for munitions early on.

All weapon upgrades are pretty much no brainers. Except for AT ones of course. It's a matter of prioritizing your munitions or choosing between multiple options. (I.e paratroopers picking between thompsons or lmg's) However unlike say Riflemen or Tommies, Ostheer doesn't have to tech consciously towards their weapon upgrades and pick them up manually. This is why you see a lot of players neglect weapon upgrades as USF or UKF, because they forget to buy them.

Actually it is in the rules. Tricky to be strict on this, though, given that the most recent replay will be overwritten unless you remember to specifically save it...

Well then there needs to be a warning/penalty system for players not remembering to save replays. Or there should be observers in the games that can save the replays. (CoH2 has an observer system now right? )