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Thread: Dealing with Pios > Scout Cars13 Sep 2013, 19:43 PM Jump back to quoted post13 Sep 2013, 15:07 PMKingAnj IMO-penals take too long; if you're gettign penals, just get snipers. Then, make your opponent freak out when his 4 pio squad just got reduced to 2 after some conscript fire and a sniper shot. Scout cars SHOULDN'T give you trouble with at least 3-4 conscripts. A.) TRYYYYY not to fight it 1conscript v 1 scout car. B.) Try to get some support or back up with anyother kind of unit (not sniper, even thou scoutcar does take small arms dmg). I have been finding AT nades being researched before molotov in my build too to actually do STOP scout cars/ Half-tracks. Guards are good, but it tells your opponent: "OK, he went the 1 of the 2 doctrines that have guards in them!". Things i've been finding bad with guards are, they need to sit still to shoot their DP & PTRS guns, which slows down mobility and increase vunerablity. So a well-micro'ed scout car(s) and Half-track(s) can still give some trouble to guards too. TLDR; get at nade quicker. Don't be afraid of scout cars w/AT nades. Focus on paying attention to your units. Make sure they are not idle (shift-click is your friend). Getting two snipers is excessive early on. You sacrifice a great amount of map control, which is absolutely a major strength of Soviets early on, and will set yourself up for great pain if your snipers ever get caught out in the open by a roving scout car. I don't recommend at all getting a sniper before having at least 3 conscripts on the field to at least screen the sniper from infantry and possible early scout cars. In: Red Army Strategies
Thread: Dealing with Pios > Scout Cars13 Sep 2013, 19:40 PM Jump back to quoted post12 Sep 2013, 13:46 PMwayward516 So, I've been seeing this a bit lately, and it's been quite frustrating. Pioneers in enough numbers can take out capping Conscript squads, and the 222 is a good and fairly quick compliment. T2 seems to work, but my inclination in the game at this point is to go t1 (for sipers, Penals and Scout Cars) into either t3 or t4 depending on the situation. T2 is IMO more viable now after the patch, but it's not really my go-to at this point. Is the best way to go about this to simply hold off producing either t1 or t2 until you see whether they're building MGs or spamming Pios? Or is there a way to take more of an aggressive stance in the early game and punish them for spamming Pios? Wayward, I would strongly suggest you not just blindly get AT nades as quick as possible. I would take a wait and see attitude when it comes to getting the AT nade upgrade. I typically go 3 conscripts and get Molotovs as quick as possible. The early advantage from denying building use and taking out weapon support teams is key to not getting yourself into a vehicle rush headache later on. The AT nade upgrade is cheap enough and upgrades fast enough that you can select the upgrade as soon as you see the first vehicle out. You should be laying out early mines that will punish the Ostheer player for not holding map territory. If you want to see just how heavily I suggest mining, I do have a replay up shoutcasted by ImperialDane (Propagandacaster on YouTube @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Aiu_Msk0gk) that shows what I'm talking about. Also, use the hell out of trip wire mines that Soviet Infantry get at Vet 1. In: Red Army Strategies

Thread: Dealing with Pios > Scout Cars13 Sep 2013, 19:43 PM

13 Sep 2013, 15:07 PMKingAnj

IMO-penals take too long; if you're gettign penals, just get snipers. Then, make your opponent freak out when his 4 pio squad just got reduced to 2 after some conscript fire and a sniper shot.

Scout cars SHOULDN'T give you trouble with at least 3-4 conscripts. A.) TRYYYYY not to fight it 1conscript v 1 scout car. B.) Try to get some support or back up with anyother kind of unit (not sniper, even thou scoutcar does take small arms dmg).

I have been finding AT nades being researched before molotov in my build too to actually do STOP scout cars/ Half-tracks.

Guards are good, but it tells your opponent: "OK, he went the 1 of the 2 doctrines that have guards in them!". Things i've been finding bad with guards are, they need to sit still to shoot their DP & PTRS guns, which slows down mobility and increase vunerablity. So a well-micro'ed scout car(s) and Half-track(s) can still give some trouble to guards too.

TLDR; get at nade quicker. Don't be afraid of scout cars w/AT nades. Focus on paying attention to your units. Make sure they are not idle (shift-click is your friend).

Getting two snipers is excessive early on. You sacrifice a great amount of map control, which is absolutely a major strength of Soviets early on, and will set yourself up for great pain if your snipers ever get caught out in the open by a roving scout car. I don't recommend at all getting a sniper before having at least 3 conscripts on the field to at least screen the sniper from infantry and possible early scout cars.

In: Red Army Strategies

Thread: Dealing with Pios > Scout Cars13 Sep 2013, 19:40 PM

12 Sep 2013, 13:46 PMwayward516

So, I've been seeing this a bit lately, and it's been quite frustrating. Pioneers in enough numbers can take out capping Conscript squads, and the 222 is a good and fairly quick compliment.

T2 seems to work, but my inclination in the game at this point is to go t1 (for sipers, Penals and Scout Cars) into either t3 or t4 depending on the situation. T2 is IMO more viable now after the patch, but it's not really my go-to at this point.

Is the best way to go about this to simply hold off producing either t1 or t2 until you see whether they're building MGs or spamming Pios? Or is there a way to take more of an aggressive stance in the early game and punish them for spamming Pios?

Wayward, I would strongly suggest you not just blindly get AT nades as quick as possible. I would take a wait and see attitude when it comes to getting the AT nade upgrade. I typically go 3 conscripts and get Molotovs as quick as possible. The early advantage from denying building use and taking out weapon support teams is key to not getting yourself into a vehicle rush headache later on.

The AT nade upgrade is cheap enough and upgrades fast enough that you can select the upgrade as soon as you see the first vehicle out. You should be laying out early mines that will punish the Ostheer player for not holding map territory.

If you want to see just how heavily I suggest mining, I do have a replay up shoutcasted by ImperialDane (Propagandacaster on YouTube @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Aiu_Msk0gk) that shows what I'm talking about. Also, use the hell out of trip wire mines that Soviet Infantry get at Vet 1.

In: Red Army Strategies