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They don't rely on out-ranging the panther.

SU76 has insane rate of fire, you can outproduce a panther with at least 4 SU76s
SU85 has self spotting and extremely good penetration
Jackson has speed and penetration and damage - and AP rounds and self repair
Firefly has penetration and damage, more than normal sight with 25 munition and retardedly overpowered tulips that stun your entire tank - sitting ducks.

in the past when panther's armor was potent, outranging might be true.
Now? any allied tank destroyer are buffed to neglect Tiger/Panther armor - combine that with longer range and self spotting shit like SU85, British command vehicle; panther can't get a shot in before half its health gone

But you don't get PV in order to deal with TDs unless you have somehow a bigger economy to sustain getting several of them and then relying on swarming a position, killing one and then pulling back quickly.
PV was designed to counter heavies and outslug mediums when ONLY SU was in the game (IS2/ISU and T34s). Too many things have been released and the OH PV just lag behind. USF is basically all mediums (unless Pershing or E8) with better infantry AI units (so while you could deal with mediums, Rifles can still over run you) and UKF has OP crushwell and Comet (Relic didn't know what to really do with Churchill). Live Piats laughs at PV armor.

PV is basically there for people who can't keep their Stugs alive

1-Having prioritise vehicles not affecting MGs will help PV a lot.
2-Su76 should see a really slight pen nerf IMO.
3-UKF vehicle commander should be nerf along with Crushwell/Comet.
4-Either improve RoF or keep it slow RoF but make it so it has a slight higher accuracy. Problem with PV is that by having attrocious scatter, there's few chances that a miss will still hit. On the other hand, AoE could be further lowered and improve scatter so it will hit infantry at a really slow pace.

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What you say is correct (10 range) and is the IDEAL but it's not feasible to maintain in game even for the top players.
It's a micro sink wanting to stay at 10 range all the time instead of just "hugging" people at 0-5. You have to understand that the 10 non drop off dps is basically there to not go overboard with insane sword DPS and later can't hit shit at longer still short ranges. We have already been there.

What you later address is mostly your subjective desires for the game which i think are valid and could be tried but in the current state of Relic i don't think its worthy to spend time trying to rebalance weapon dps profiles just for the sake of "it's more logical".

Zis gets free green cover from itself ...

Just in case cause this is is a tricky misconception.

Old post copy paste

1-The AT gun does not provide green cover for the guys operating the weapon. You do full damage (i can't test accuracy outside of making a mod) either through small arm fire or explosives (grenades or mortar shells for example). Easy to check by either killing the crew with a grenade/mortar or activating the dmg indicator on cheatmods.

2-The AT gun ITSELF does create green cover and each of them has a hitbox (which can blocks incoming shots). The thing is, it's mostly irrelevant for the crew due to formation.
Check the pic (for some reason the rak 4th guy spread out)
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So yeah, green cover on the AT gun for the crew is useless, cause a shell landing on top of it will kill the 2 operating guys and heavily wound the 3rd guy which might be nearby.

That been said, it's not worthless putting AT guns behind cover, cause that will protect the operators.

My recollection is that shortly after the march deployment in '14 or so there was a short period where the gren's 42 was batshit overpowered. (This was definitely before any expansions.) Looking back through the patch notes it may just be that grens got a decent DPS boost at the same time that shocks armor got halved. Since I'd just started playing I'm sure my impressions were pretty exaggerated.

Gren could suppress squads and Pios were overpowered for a couple of weeks.

Regarding topic.
OH PIV: decrease fuel cost by 5. +10 Pen across board.
Cromwell: increase fuel cost by 5

I know historical balance decisions are not good, but why is it that UKF tanks get's 0.75 acc on the move? USF get's it due to their "gyrostabilizer" but did UKF tanks had something simil?

IB4 special snowflake.

You're right, I overlooked that one. I don't think that one is in the current meta though, isn't it?

That said, I'd rather have the ZiS fixed than all others set to the same situation - AT guns are troublesome enough to use as it is, making them even less usable would set even more focus on tanks, which is exactly what is causing so many problems right now (most of which are amplified by the horrendous tank balance Relic apparently considers acceptable)...

I found it interesting that you overlooked the most common one

Yeah, that "bug/feature" should be fixed. Also, it's not "that hard" to get vet1 on rak. Surviving more than that it's another history, but first vet levels are easy for all AT wise squads.