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Thread: Su-7612 Feb 2018, 21:33 PM Jump back to quoted post12 Feb 2018, 10:34 AMVipper Having a 280 hmg reinforce at same price with a 250 is with same logic a "bug". No? Because, again, you are paying a reinforce cost based on the weapon crew performance and not on the weapon support performance. Then your end goal should be, is OH paying too much on support weapon reinforce compared to other factions or not ? Ex: why would the USF AT gun (270mp) be paying more/equal on reinforce than the OH/UK paks (320mp). Helping player take good decision without having to know that exact stat of every unit in the game is helpful and is something Relic attempted to achieved with a number of rules. That's fine, but you are overestimating how much impact things like perfectly knowing reinforce time or cost have on the performance or decisions a player can take. If you look at the average player or heck any player, you'll realise that they all have quite a lot of down/idle time cause no one here is a korean with 300+ APM. You have an 1 man Conscript return to base and think: oh, i need 100mp and 20s to reinforce or just spam reinforce hotkey and check that you have a decent amount of mp banked ? Those kind of things don't take away from good decision making. You are trying to impose a message saying as Relic "tried" to globally take into account all unit and having a faction as a benchmark, or that they haven't been doing flip-flops when they tune individual units performance. Go here, take a look at changes and you might as go as well to Cruzz ninja changes thread. https://community.companyofheroes.com/discussion/67/coh-2-changelog We WOULD LOVE having a 1/2 per month balance adjustment altering as little as possible units so it doesn't make units go from totally OP to never be seen again units. But this is Relic, a company having internal problems, with a 5 years old game. You don't like scope, i don't like scope, everyone here doesn't like it. Guess what. This is how the game works, this is how it's gonna be done. Why? Because there is not enough resources to make developers waste time on a 5 year old game, administrating and doing QA tests on basically the whole roster of units, if we were to do a proper re balance. "But X unit only need a small adjustment here and there". That small adjustment might not be as ez to implement or even if it's ez, it might be breaking something totally unrelated which you might not know. This is otato: engine on which we fix +50 bugs per patch but introduce +20 more and 10 which are hidden and will only be discovered 3 patches later so you won't even have a clue on why or when it started. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Su-7611 Feb 2018, 19:14 PM Jump back to quoted post11 Feb 2018, 14:46 PMVipper Think we are simply using the term differently. Relic had made an effort to make things simple by introduction a set of "rules" so that one did actually need to know all the stat to play the game. This rules included: Build time linearly linked to cost value Reinforcement cost linearly linked to cost value Reinforcement linearly linked to cost value Starting weapon following weapon profiles Relative positioning Similar cover penalties and so on. There where a few exception but the tried to keep these "rules". The latest patch do not seem to even make an effort to follow any rules and are based in "balancing" units individually and in comparison with a benchmark unit. For instance (apart from all the examples I have already given) there is little reason for the Centaur to completely ignore yellow cover and have low penalties vs heavy and for the luch to have the highest penalties vs heavy cover but benefit from the point blank mechanism. Those rules had exceptions since beta or at least since the first batch of DLC commanders for EFA (4-5 years ago). There's no such thing as "easy to learn" in CoH2, when there is no place for knowing something as simple as how much damage a unit does, what are the benefits of cover, veterancy or retreat, or how much health a unit has. Build time didn't apply to vehicles, even more if we take Relic's relative value of fuel:mp. Neither it applied to buildings/defenses or support weapons. Also IIRC Riflemans had their build time adjust right after WFA was released (due to chaos with OH matchup). Same with MG42 when it was put down into T0. You are saying that the last patch broke this rules, as if this wasn't a Relic own design direction from like 3/4 years ago. All infantry call ins got adjusted with different reinforce time and cost. Same with most elite units such as PG, Falls, Obers or Sturmpios. Weapon profiles were thrown from the board when they released WFA and even worst with UKF. What are BARs, FG42, IR STG44 or special snowflake UKF flamers. This was a mess with vehicles as well. But they were even thrown out of the way before, with the adjustments to G43. Or why is it that Pios have a different weapon profile against cover for ex. Fixed positioning applied when you wanted to balance SU vs OH. Ranges were changed to be able to adjust to all other match ups. Jump back to quoted post11 Feb 2018, 14:46 PMVipper Saying that the Case 120mm is design and the case of OKW is bug that need to be fixed is completely arbitrary. I could make the exact opposite claim. If the 120mm ability to survive with 1 crew member is design decision it is actually a very bad one since it has the longest auto attack range and if it comes under fire the player is doing something wrong. If patch was trying to fix "bugs" in the performance of team weapons it should be fixing other issues also like the reinforcement cost of HMG since the cost of HMG34/HMG42 is too high compared to the 0.50/vickers, the reinforcement cost of the Dshk is too low compared to maxim, the Dshk and 0.50 should not have access the sprint ability and the AP round of the 0.50 should work like Dshk and not like the HMG34/HMG42 while being a vet 0 ability. 120mm has a 1 man animation working crew n suffers from the same death loop as maxims. Why is it that USF Pack Howie requires a 3 man crew? Whether you like it or not, good or bad it's by design. Spawning basically Volks models as opposed to "crew models", after a certain patch when all other factions support weapons have crew models which do shit against infantry... I think that's a bug. You can say certain bugs are "healthy" for the game, but if that's the case, why not just adjust it later on. This is what happened for example with original T34-76 RoF bug. The unit was crap, it got fixed and it was even worst. I've already said that AA range should be reduced to 80 while adjusting other things. Isn't MG34/42/0.50/Vickers reinforce cost practically equal? The difference been that the support weapon itself having a different cost. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Relic leaves Dawn of War 3 behind11 Feb 2018, 18:15 PM Jump back to quoted post10 Feb 2018, 17:23 PMKatitof So, you say relics 40k is only dead? I mean dead as a franchise which has 0 possibility of releasing a further title. Say: C&C, Medal of Honor, Dead Space, Ultima, Simcity (notice how many EA has killed). In: Lobby
Thread: Relic leaves Dawn of War 3 behind10 Feb 2018, 17:14 PM Jump back to quoted post10 Feb 2018, 13:45 PMKatitof Sadly, 40k is a complete dead end for any game designer and with DOW series being murdered, there is absolutely nothing to look forward to in regards to 40k games. You mean, 40K Relic's games are dead. I don't think there would be an issue if CA decided to release a Total War based on 40K or another devs to work on something like SP space marine. Jump back to quoted post10 Feb 2018, 14:30 PMKatitof I'm not letting my nostalgia cloud my senses and I'm not going to pretend that they are going to make AoE2 with AAA graphics, like DoW1 fanboys believed DoW3 will be. Till we see any teaser with some gameplay, i'll hope they don't make the same mistake as with AoE3. I mean, someone on MS should tell them that: Bruce Shelley, founder of series creator Ensemble Studios, explained that the developer had tried too hard to reinvent the series and broken the game in the process. "With Age of Empires 3 we tried all of these new ideas," he said. "I think it was a huge mistake." "We wanted to create something that was 30 per cent the same, 30 per cent borrowed and 30 per cent innovative. I think we tried to do too much." In: Lobby
Thread: Su-7610 Feb 2018, 17:00 PM Jump back to quoted post10 Feb 2018, 11:31 AMVipper Latest Patch really look as if Relic is destroying the concept of simple rules "easy to learn hard to master" and faction design. CoH is by far one of the games which is hardest to learn, ez to master. There is so much hidden knowledge and concepts which can't be learn unless you play extensively, visit the forums for guides, check pros and/or knowledge wizards. Jump back to quoted post10 Feb 2018, 11:31 AMVipper I doubt enough people actually voted to nerf OKW crews yet they where nerfed. On the other hand the 120mm mortar can still survive with 1 crew member although allot of people have actually point it out. Nerf =/= Fix. All original support crews in game have increase RA and lesser damage for a reduced cost. OKW basically had Volks. 120mm has been a 1 man crew weapon by design for 5 years. It's been shit for cost and rof for too long and now some people complain about it again. By design of most indirect fire losing AA range, it should be brought equally to the ISG but the other aspects of it are still bad compared to vanilla 240mp mortars. Jump back to quoted post10 Feb 2018, 11:31 AMVipper Its high time Relic reconsiders what it is doing and why. We have been saying this for 5 years. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: What is it with Maxims these days?9 Feb 2018, 20:40 PM Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2018, 18:41 PMStug life the problem is that mg don't benefit from cover this patch so maxim might beat mg 42 in green cover some times Isn't that the other way round now ? Wasn't the maxim/50 cal bugged but the MG34/42 not ? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Su-769 Feb 2018, 20:38 PM Jump back to quoted post6 Feb 2018, 08:44 AMVipper The idea of doing patches with scope simply does not work. I don't like it, but it's how things are done. If people had voted for Su76, it would had been added on the last patch. I'm gonna repeat myself one more time and bail out from this thread cause people are more interested on nitpicking each other than discussing the real issue here. Stug has this, Su76 has this other, wa wa wa... 1- Reduce pen. Enough to still be a threat and 90% to medium tanks but failing to do so against PV and the like. Basically an avg 10/20 pen across the board. 2- 400HP. If we had more 200dmg dealers on the game cof Panthercof, there would be more reason to tech up to Su85 both due to pen and survivability. 3- Reduce cost of tracking, give a cost to barrage. Limited time 50± sight range and 70 minimap is way too far from the power level of other abilities in the game. You could also make tracking for Su76 a little bit different by increasing sight even more but disabling offensive abilities during the duration. Whatever this is just me here brainstorming. 4- Increase Xp values to Puma levels. 5- Move vet2 +20dmg to vet 3 swapping it with barrage range. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Rebalancing Sniper Counter for Ostheer8 Feb 2018, 09:44 AM What would happen if you make the spotter gun a slot weapon that transfer on death instead of the other way round ? So whenever a model dies, you can't snipe with it. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Relic close to shutting down - not profitable7 Feb 2018, 17:54 PM Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2018, 16:57 PMBasilone Except I mentioned a bunch of "RTS" games like Total War, Wargame, Men of War, Paradox, etc. I wasn't talking about Cities Skylines and PUBG, so no strawman. All I'm saying is its too early to declare RTS dead when COH2 is about as popular as COH1, other non-traditional RTS games are very popular, and there's been a lack of recent old school RTS games that were actually good. If AoE4 is an amazing game with terrible sales there would be more evidence behind the theory, right now is too early to say. I guess you are too stubborn to realise they are all strategy games but not RTS cause for you everything is an RTS even if most of those games are not classified as such even by their own companies. For simplicity sake, RTS and RTT are the same (Wargame/MoW). But it seems you never played a Total War game or Paradox game to call them RTS (not Steel Division). Crusaders Kings, Europa Universalis, Stellaris, Heart of Iron have nothing to do with RTS. https://www.paradoxplaza.com/games/ Total War is a combination of both turn based and RTT (even if you can remove the component of real time by pressing a button). But it seems you already forgot about my original premise: Player vs Player RTS are on a downfall, if you don't like the term "dead" as is too extreme. In: Lobby
Thread: Ancestors Legacy OPEN Beta just went live (rts with vikings)7 Feb 2018, 04:51 AM https://www.coh2.org/forum/44/other-games Moving. In: Other Games