Profile of elchino7

OP:

"This forum is affectionately referred to also as "The Latrine."

Go to war with other forums users (and the devs) about how you feel COH2 should be balanced!"

It's not like there hasn't been attempts to improve it. But any kind of improvement necessarily means that a big group of users won't be posting on this subsection anymore, or at least this should be limited in some way. This is a "design" decision, worthy of talking again only when coh3.org is been released.

If you ask me my PoV:

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I've said this many times. If Relic/balance team is going to use GCS or other tournament results to dictate which factions that are going to be buffed and which to be nerfed, why doesn't Relic/bal team simply ask the tournament players how to balance the game???!!!!! It was the tournament players that brought about the results that you're basing balancing decisions on, why not ask the players who created the results what to do to improve balance because the people that best understand why the results are like this ARE THE PROS THEMSELVES?

This implies you know they haven't been contacted in any way whatsoever or that they want their opinions to be known by others because...

These GCS players probably aren't willing to step in considering how ready some people are to threaten and personally attack them when they dont like something

Hmmm...

I mean it's not like several top ranked players haven't been staff around here back in the past and know how it feels to deal with people that only want to find a scapegoat to throw away their rants and tantrums at.

Why is Relic/bal team asking randoms on the forums how to balance based on a tournament in which they did not participate in?

I'll say you have both objective and perception feedback. I think that both are important, the second one been at least perceived (aka been in touch with the "community"). In the perception aspect, at least you should ask why people think something the way they do, even if the stats imply the complete opposite (AKA what happened to MP40 Storms feedback).

The solution is clear
1) Either heed the GCS results and ask the tournament players how to balance the game. This forum might as well close down the balance section of the website because the thoughts of the lower 99% don't matter and hence if you wanna get good, watch the pros and copy their op build orders, cheese tactics, and game mechanic abuse they may be exploiting. There will be absolutely ZERO room for creativity. Play meta OR LOSE.

The solution is not clear.
Don't bring the false dichotomy implying that it's either the "pro" players way or the average joe one, specially when you bring the assumption that balancing in that way means killing creativity. Also the beauty about the avg joe is that he is not affected by "meta" because balance is solved out through matchmaking.

2) Or start supporting coh2chart.com again with updated winrate data and let everyone know how the average and above avg players are performing and base balance off of those results. GCS will be hosted merely for hype purposes.

You should read these 2 posts made by SiphonX

https://www.coh2.org/news/55039/coh2chart-and-its-worth
https://www.coh2.org/news/54445/the-ladder-1v1-matchmaking

They also do far less damage, are only placeable on points and as you said you can't detonate them by yourself, which actually is a disadvantage compared to old Demos since you can't pick your target.

If you put a friendly squad in the point, the explosive won't detonate until you leave the point. Profit.

Obers are generally a bit better because they require less micro. Falls need to be used in camo, ambush situations to really be effective.

STG Obers are insane in CQC maps, not just the damage output but also having 3 grenades at their disposal. LMG Obers for long range maps.


Obers need to vet up to vet 2 to become really good though, so keep that mind when fighting vet 3 double equipped Riflemen or IS.

The correct answer. Obers having either 1 or 2 weapon upgrades means that losing models is less punishing. Falls require meatshields or surprise element to be effective.

Both IR STG and Falls perform well at distance, so you don't necessarily need to leave cover to engage.

Just invised a couple of comments.

If you have anything else to say to each other use the PM system.

Do you need to have a "wall of paks" to kill Allied tanks? Do you need a "wall of raketens" to kill allied tanks?

3 is overkill but not like i've never seen it been done by top players. What comes to my mind is "Lemons" style of playing. Just long T1 support play with HT for reinforcing and slowly creeping the map. Talking about 2v2.

For cost, i'll say that 2 paks starts to be a wall of some sort. When i say pak wall, that also applies to Zis guns and UKF AT guns. It's just that the term pak wall is easier or feels better to say.

Zis gun wall with old KV8 or UKF AT gun wall with Crocs/Centaur. Those are just 2 examples.