Profile of elchino7

Modular concept can be tested but no one sane would give "no rifles" for meme Hollywood theme. You can achieve the same goal by making their performance weaker at 6 rifles if you need to and then replace whatever number of Rifles needed for "veteran" training.

Ex: before the whole 7man concept, i thought that giving them some Guards mosins at later stages would make them scale fair enough.

In any case, Shocktroops basically lose like 25%/40% till they manage to get face to face (you can retreat without losing meaningful HP). I didn't tried with nades, cause in both cases, both units get access to either smoke + normal nade or nuke + cancer smoke nade.

What's the need to cut off the part of the sentence that includes the AOE.

ALL mortars are weaker post patch, more so in auto fire mode. (ISG/Pack Howie are not mortars. While ISG is not great, it has a reduced power level gap than before)

USF: is a smoke dispenser and garrison counter.
OH: can actually do something but it's no longer set up and forget.
SU: part of a tier most people forget is there unless they need a Zis gun.

You have already said that

1) USF mortar is inline with other mortars, basically all mortars are pretty close, (so either all mortars are garbage or none).

2) Ostheer mortars went from tot of self to being slightly better than the rest so it was affected the most by the nerfs.

I agree, specially with the bolded part. Mortars are situational rather than "i have mp and i want to bleed my opponent". But i don't think the USF mortar is EXACTLY inline with all other mortars. It's like saying that the Pack Howie is inline with the ISG. IF YOU IGNORE that they have completely different AoE profiles. I wouldn't say having 45% less AoE on the inner and mid range makes it equal to either Soviet or OH mortar. Which is totally fine for what they need it for.

Also, different game modes, different needs.

No,like shocktroopers,whatever your ober upgrade,you can't hold back them even them come from 35m
And OKW already have SturmPioneer combat at Close range,and Volks can fight all range,Ober is elite infantry is no doubt，but they coming too late so most time when they come,they will face weapon group,armor and many support AOE,they are very hard to survival if you use them to assault,only in few maps IR.stg44 is better than MG34——but why I dont choose FireStorm commander and upgrade Volks assault package？

Because Firestorm is not a good commander ?

The assault package are SMGs, which have a huge drop off from mid to long range. The STG package for Volks is still better all around, what the assault package might give you is indeed utility.

DON'T USE THEM as if they were assault Grenadiers. Think about PGs Elite with actual long range dmg.

Just for the sake of curiosity i did some test to compare Obers with IR STG vs LMG34 against Shocks.

Around 4/8 runs each, Obers staying still waiting for Shocks to get face to face.
No cover, yellow and green
Vet 0 and vet 3, both on equal vet. So either 0 vs 0 or both vet 3.


In every case, the IR STG stays on top against the LMG34 (either by doing more dmg or actually winning)

Vet 0:
No cover: basically you never win. I got 1/8 win with STG but it was a sliver of health left.
Yellow/green: REALLY close but you win like 33% of the cases with STG and only 1/8 runs the LMG34 won. In the case of the LMG34 it had great variance for some reason.

Vet3:
No cover: 50/50 with STG and pretty close but mostly losing with LMG34
Yellow/Green: reliable (+75%) won with STG and 50/50 with LMG34.

In any case, Shocktroops basically lose like 25%/40% till they manage to get face to face (you can retreat without losing meaningful HP). I didn't tried with nades, cause in both cases, both units get access to either smoke + normal nade or nuke + cancer smoke nade.


PD: Something that didn't happened at vet0 is that on 2/8 cases with the IR STG, is that they suppressed the Shocks (anecdotal cause it was mostly at the end of the fight). I forgot about that, the IR STG has passive suppression (no, it's not the abilitiy)
PD2: i forgot that Obers Kar have passive suppression.

More than 20m,2x IRstg44 ober can't defeat single mg34 ober even they in heavy cover shot each other，of course IRstg44 is powerful weapon,but Ober is long range shooter，and they are expensive to refinement,they on field timing they will face light even medium armor,so I think most time IRstg44 is worst than MG34 because you need send ober more close to enemy to keep the efficiency
Now in summer patch they will make Ober arrive earlier,but no weapon upgrade ober is not good，IRstg44 is used a commander ability slot and only for ober didn't like USF 1919LMG can be used by any infantry,I think allowed Ober upgrade IRstg44 without Panzer Authorization is reasonable

Obers don't fight Obers in mirror matches. Don't use the upgrade in long open maps rather than more urban, close range/heavy garrison maps. The STG is also better if the enemy goes for heavy CQC units. You still deal heavy long range dmg and they can't really close in.