Profile of pigsoup

1. if FRP is removed, we'd be removing it from 3 out of 5 factions.

2. - FRP affects teamgames way more
- post WFA factions are overperforming in this area for whatever other reasons + FRP
- so removing FRP can be treated as a normal nerf to these factions in teamgames, nothing more dramatic

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ummm. this is not your personal online database or blog.

The 'f' in frp. There's been plenty of effort to eliminate the ability for players to blast people's hqs with indirect fire. Be it building mortar pits in base hqs to loiters and off map arti unable to target hq sectors.

When an frp exists, that retreat point is often in range of indirect fire and in sectors where off maps can directly target the frp.

Things like land mattresses, katyushas, and calliopes that throw multiple volleys are excellent for clearing fros. Stuka zu fuss and panzerwerfers are as well, but the single volley requires much better timing. A katyusha firing on a medic truck can usually wipe retreating units even if they immediately retreat to the hq due to the saturation effect.

Not sure why this concept is a sudden mystery.

and who's fault is that it is so Forward?

it's the user. '15-20 second off of every retreat? nah that is too little - let me just push it a bit further...' to where many many med bases are set up where you shave ~60 sec off of every retreat...

if mortar emplacement has range on your med base, if katyusha, stuka has range o your FRP without moving up to or very close to the front line (in even match), it is probably the user's fault.

So what happens when WFA enter the mod?

Do we remove Vet2 repair speed bonus from everybody, or do we give everyone some alternative to gain that vet?

Currently, I can't think of any other way for Pios to gain vet in the late-game, if they haven't already. WFA engineers have no issue gaining vet even at that point, since they also double as combat units.

Without giving everyone fair access to their massive +60% vet2 repair speeds, EFA is always going to be on the backfoot.

i have no problem with WFA+ engi units having advantage in principle. except that now they have just too much advantage.

the key word here is "retreat"

I'd argue that a skillful user can use SOV and OST halftracks more effectively than FRPs. But it is a micro drain not only because you have to soft retreat and manage a fairly squishy vehicle but you can't afford to be suppressed. And there is an opportunity cost of not going Quad and Flame, which is big, proven by how many people including top players go for the upgrades. Also of course the fact that you cannot hard retreat to use this strat effectively.

That is why I think the SOV and OST halftrack reinforcing is balanced even if we remove FRP from other factions due to micro sink and opp. cost halftrack play style entails. and it's balanced.

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now Forward Retreat Points on the other hand does not let you reinforce at the frontline but let's you save anywhere from 20-60 seconds off of all your hard retreats. AND I do not want to remove FRP for balance reasons - I've dealt with it for 3 years, we all know how to counter it. What I don't like about FRP is that it is a very powerful tool that does not require micro and simply does not promote smart strategy or tactics - it promotes head butting gameplay and simply put, i don't think CoH2 should help those kind of stupid and depth-less playstyle.

So it's not really about balance, giving everybody FRPs whatnot, but rather looking at FRP and seeing if it promotes good fun gameplay or bad gameplay.