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Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2013, 13:22 PMTurtle

The expense of PGrens is intentional because they are one of the most powerful and versatile infantry in the game. A single squad, used well to flank, or sometimes right down the center can cause multiple squad wipes and route an entire infantry force, all at vet 0. No other infantry can do that in the game. They also hard counter SU-85s.

They have to have some weakness, and thus their bane is HE weapons and other things that blow up the squad or pick off members by ignoring their armor and speed. Even if you lose 1 man, they are still quite potent at their roles.

As for damage for cost and risk, unless I'm mistaken or it has changed, the stats on PGrens weapons are such that their assault rifles should work at medium range. People only close in for short range fights because, again, PGrens are just so deadly when they get in close. They evaporate squads if they get in close, so in comparison it may seem like their guns are weak at medium range, where instead you're just doing normal damage. If their stats are giving them only SMG style range, then I think that's actually something that should be changed.

Then there's that amazing grenade.

Here's where I really disagree with the whole premise. AT guns, tank cannons, etc are all still CANNONS. For all of warfare where we've had cannons, those cannons have been used to good effect for killing infantry. You know those tank destroyers and tank hunters? They were used throughout the war more for firing on infantry positions. All infantry should be affected by cannons of all types, 1 regular kill is fine in a short engagement and doesn't happen that often. You only think it happens all the time due to confirmation bias. It's actually an intentional design decision as well since a problem in CoH2 was super infantry running around ignoring tanks.

And you know what, the same thing happens to shock troops and guards. The P4's scatter was changed so they're a little worse at it, but that was due to P4 spam becoming a problem since it could kill both tanks and infantry with equal speed. Even now, it has 3 MGs on it, turn that P4 to face all its cannon and all MGs on any target and they will have to retreat.

However, what you need to realize, and what most dedicated German players don't realize is that for all your problems with HE shots killing your guys, almost everything Soviets have die much more quickly to direct fire.

Which brings me back to the PGrens. Your PGrens are one of the direct fire things that quickly wipes out things like conscripts.

Play as Soviets for a while and you'll see this. And it's why people think you are trolling and are not receptive. You are demonstrating a very limited view of the game, a tunnel vision in regards to PGrens alone.

It's also a topic that has been discussed already.

If you want PGrens to be more durable, you will have to lose a large chunk of that squad wiping ability. Are you willing to do that?