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you wont be able to have more than two AT guns in a contested game, and you wont be able to defend them with static globs, you would lose the whole map.
You have to shoot and retreat them or pull them up with an offensive and then pull them back again, mortars flame and otherwise or offmap artillery would make short work of static units and your opponent will end up with your AT guns.

If you have 3 AT guns by the time your opponent gets the first ostwind out you are doing it wrong I agree. I'm talking about in general when a game goes long and there's a lot of armor or something big like a tiger on the map. I still think 2 AT guns is reasonable if you are down on fuel.

You misunderstand what I am saying about the AT guns. They should always be on the move right behind the infantry. Just select the AT guns as a group and target enemy vehicles manually when they are distracted by your infantry. The damage of 2 AT guns together is sometimes enough to kill a tank before your opponent can react. I find it's much more effective than a single AT gun that can at best just drive your opponent's tank away.



Also, just as something to try... I have successfully used an SU-76 against an Ostwind and won before. You have to be very careful with it though and keep it back so it won't get flanked but it does have a range advantage and enough frontal armor to deal with that 40mm gun. A T34 is probably a better option but just something to think about.

I wouldn't give conscripts a weapons upgrade. I think they are fine in their role as basic infantry. However, they do scale rather poorly so boosting their vet3 bonus would help them out late game. But, if you buff conscripts, penals and shocks will be used even less frequent and be less useful overall.

I pretty much agree with this point. Conscripts suck against infantry but I think that's their design. I think soviets are supposed to use elite infantry and snipers to fill out their ranks to better combat German infantry. A PPSH DP-28 or SVT upgrade would lessen the need for combined arms.

Unless of course we are trying to go back to the COH1 days where you could spam riflemen with BAR sticky bombs and Pineapples. Not to scoff at those days at all that was fun.

I also want to point out that I almost never get the PPSH upgrade and don't feel like it is necessary to compete as soviets.

Have you all even tried the mg42 post patch? Do you remember what mg42s were like in COH1? They work fine now and still do what they are supposed to, support infantry and lock areas down. I use mg42s every game I play as German and still get what I pay for.

Sure they can be flanked now but isn't that their design? You are trading firepower for a more unwieldy defensive unit. Gameplay is more interesting now; just be more careful with how you position them.

I just wanted to say a few things on this topic since I am a bit concerned about the direction the game is going.

When the balance team was working so hard on COH2 to make things just right I got a really good feeling that this was going to be a serious game with huge tournaments on twitch that would attract many viewers. However, when I first played the game post CB patch I encountered assault grenadiers and a German version of the M3. I felt like I was playing a different game. The experience left me worried about how seriously game balance is effected by such regular and dramatic changes.

If this game becomes just like any other free to play game with new copy-paste units being added every month it will never be a serious tournament game. The company of heroes appeal for me was as intense strategy in its purest form, much like a chess game. These changes make the game feel less serious. In all honesty I probably will continue to play if things keep going the way they do, but my excitement for the game will probably drain over time.

Thanks for the post mentioning "Nazi Gold" in game currency. That made me laugh.

They are much better now.

I don't feel like T34s are underpowered per say, but more asymmetrically balanced. They are cheaper and have a ram ability which I find that I use a lot. I wish that's not what the t34 was about though.

Fuel wise you can get a second t34 before your opponent gets a second P4. This is your critical moment. If you can catch your opponent out of position with a ram you can take out a p4 and repair your t34 for free. There are a lot of tricks at your disposal, so no I don't think it's underpowered. I just wish it was more of an actual tank rather than some crazy niche war machine.

My gripes with where t34s are at is that they absolutely suck in frontal engagements vs anything larger than a half track. This game could have had a signature of tank engagements, but that's not possible now. If you want to fight a tank battle as soviet you have to get tank destroyers which defeats the purpose of tank on tank.

As a German player, I do prefer if my opponent goes t3 over t4. T4 generally ends late game German units.

I will also add that panzer tactician and blitzkrieg vet are real wtf bs moves, but that's another thread.

And yes, soviet AT guns are underrated. T34s with AT support is nice.


TLDR: Game seems balanced but end game tank battles are not what they could be.