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but wehr relies so much on positioning and timing, so this is almost gamebreaking

Really that only applies to T3, T4 units have the armor to get off more shots/RNG rolls. The other issue might be the reduction in TANK target size from a patch or 2 ago. Could be causing some far accuaracy issues that weren't a problem before.

Is it just me or does the so important first shot of the following units miss way too often:

Pak40
P4
Elefant

Wehr is reliant on stuff that works, this is frustrating

BRO, I have had several matches where T34 misses at point blank range. I think it is just more noticeable with WEHR since their armor units are more expensive.

I want to start off and say I didn't plan to just kind of happened. During the match Radio intercept showed he was going infantry heavy and I decided to rush Quad. This is the 2nd or 3rd match were quad helped against Falls. Tried my best to step away from bad engagements

Went with T1 into x4 penals. Early on he had good positioning in middle of map, decided to move away and ran into lone VG 2nd penal came in to help, turned bad engagement to about even. He then attacked my cutoff which had a penal squad and Flame engi waiting stalled them for a bit then retreated, fresh penal forced them off. While that went dopwn I sent my low health unit to decap while other low model unit went to cap safer options.
We meet in the middle and I flank around his push, however he flanked me at the same time lol. I tried to get low health Penal around his flank so retreat path would be safer but he did a great job of chasing and got the wipe. I decide to cancel T2 and go straight to T3 when I see he also calls in Falls to get behind me with his flank. My healthier Penals keep pushing and I get both his cutoffs and retreat. Since he went for Falls I am assuming he skipping Flak or it will be stalled significantly so I go for Quad, put flamer inside it while it is upgrading to quickly attack his MG. I decrew his MG and kill his pioneer but lose Engi, I try to get his MG but he beats me to it.
I am fairly aggressive with Quad since I am not worried about mines and hasn't made Rak yet. However I only got 3 Penals and decide to make engi obviously for repairs and make 2 more Penals since I am floating MP and feel confident enough in gas that I will get my T3485 out first.
During a push he snared my Quad and I bring it to bottom of map for repair while 2 penals protect. When I see his push to get the kill I have 2 more Penals flank from left side of map to throw him off while fifth Penal is decapping his cut off. He regroups and pushes me back but I have bought enough time to get my tank out first. I get my T3485 and decide to attack his Schwerer, I send Quad out wide left to get his attention while Penal blob comes with tank to help take out building. I I get it to one hit worth of health but I am forced to retreat, I did decrew his Rak so I park my car right out side of schwerer range but with vision on Rak and decrew it again when he recaptures it. My 85 finishes self repairing and I destroy the building, looking at the replay he seemed to be stalling for Panther I think he should have gotten the P4J out due to my lack of AT. My Penals pretty much have free reign to bully his Inf with back up from Quad and 85. He gets some good hits on me but I keep cutting off his gas so getting the KT is 5-6 mins away. My IS2 shows up and he surrenders.

Getting this many Penals is definetly not something I would recommend however since the commander is fairly muni light early on. Going for a quad rush and then back teching for AT support is easier than with Terror Tactics since LMG upgrade for Airborne is 100muni. I feel Terror is the funner commander but Armored is safer since you can adjust as needed due to radio intercept.

I don't think AT should be the guideline either. My point was more that AT can work around shortcomings, implicitly suggesting that randoms probably won't. I did not clearly type out the latter, so yes, easy to misunderstand my post in that regard.


As I said, I am not happy with all indirect changes that USF got either.

We have to be realistic: There will 99,9% be no larger patch with hotfix for CoH2 anymore. Even this whole discussion about an ever so tiny Pathfinder/Scott nerf might already be futile. There is no sense in saying "if this strategy gets nerfed, then USF needs to get buff X as well". I think what we need to discuss in this thread and where also Sturmpanther's previous thread fell a short is whether this strategy is actually OP or just "cheesy".

If it is OP, it needs nerfing to a "competitive" level, even if the rest of USF were not healthy. Having only one single strategy somehow work does not make the whole faction great, and conversely nerfing that one strategy does not make the faction as a whole shit. It's a one trick pony, and you can only do this trick so often until it gets boring anyway. If this strategy is the only one that is viable, there is no real "USF gameplay" anyway. And again, the nerf should be to a "competitive" level. It should be okay and viable, but not unfair to the Axis factions.

If the strategy is just "cheesy" but not OP, well then it is already in a "good" spot balance wise. Shitty for gameplay, but as I said, there will be no larger patches, maybe not even a smaller one. Hence, no gameplay patches as well. If there are proper counters to the Path+Scott strategy that don't force the opponent to overly invest resources, leave it be.

At some point, USF players will probably get bored of it enough and start playing UKF and SOV, at which point the problem "fixes" itself.

Pretty much what happened to me, got tired of doing the same shit over and over in team games so went to 1v1. Then got tired of the same commanders to be competitive at higher levels so switched over to Soviets. Got to used to rifleman so when I play other factions I go for early assaulters like Penals for soviet and Assgren for Ost.

Problem is the game is balanced to heavily around OST/Soviet mainlines, in most game cast these elite players literally pick the exact same commanders over and over and rarely deviate from 3/4 concript or gren builds. So any strat that forces deviation from this build is viewed as cheese or OP.

Lost some games today that were really close I kept making dumb unit choices, is what it is. Something similar happened this game, went T3 quickly to get quad but then decided I didn't want it so made T2 to get mg and At gun

Went with Assault for radio intercept, went with T1 to 2 penals when radio intercept informed of sniper. Went for clown car to kill it. We fought back and forth pretty even fighting. After a bit I noticed he was hiding his sniper so I went all in to kill it, got the kill but his scout car killed my sniper right after. About this time I am doing fairly well in engagments, I decide to go for quad to bully him and keep pressure up. However, I felt like it was going to be a waste for whatever reason, not sure just gut feeling so I made T2. 200MP and 75 fuel that could have been used earlier but oh well.
We skirmish a bit and I get out mg + AT gun, I kill his scout car but lose MG. Also during our skirmishes I blobbed his blob and he lost a gren and dropped LMG. I decide to upgrade this penal with PTRS also since you cant tell unless you pay attention to the shots. Don't need it but I know it will pay off eventually. He takes my mg gets a vice grip on map/VP, I thought I was doing good in engagements but I guess not cuz replay shows Im down 20 deaths compared to him.
We both get out tanks out around the same time, P4 for him and T3485 for me which we poke each other but nothing really happens. I am reinforcing my army and trying to figure out the best way to push him. I have gotten a few wipes so I just need to wait for my chance.
He gets a little nosy and pushes left side of map with P4 unsupported , my 2 AT guns get the kill so armor is in my favor. Little by little I push him and bleed him. I steal an mg back which helps control flanks. He eventually gets panther out which doesn't do much but keeps me from pushing. After a bit of skirmishing I get 3rd T3485 and he gets Stug, I lose 2 tanks due to agressive raming but my AT guns fail in killing panther. I do get stug and another infantry squad so it wasn't all bad. Since I still have 2 AT guns and another tank on the way I feel I am in a good position.
We keep prodding each other and I think he finally got tired of my infantry so he makes panzerwerfer. A tiny bit later he rotates his Panther and runs into my LMG Penal, upgrading it paid off and I get the satchel off. GO TIME! I rush him with my tanks kill both panther and werfer but lose 1 tank. I get another tank out and he gets a Stug. Even though he is ahead in VP game is heavily in my favor. I grind him down, catch his Stug out of position another satchel and GG.

The radio intercept helps a lot with countering especially early with off meta openings. However it has led me to overreact and lose games in the late mid game. Need to trust my gut more but back tech works pretty well since commander is so late game focused.