^^^^ everytime I plan an attack on an su85 or multipe su85s the results are horrendous. I use combined arms all the time and bring my pgrnsz with shrecks, grens, at, and tanks. Just as an example a couple games ago I managed a tiger and a p4 wth some inf squads an mg and a pak in an attack against entrenched sovs. He had 3 su85s and infantryy.. I attacked with some units flanking and p4 flanking also with tiger coming head on. Well... lets say my tiger barely got a chance to do dmg before it exploded in fiery glory. He lost 2 su85s while my entire attacking force was decimated. Luckily the loss of 2 su85s was more than he could bear and he quit (thank god). Point being that even well coordinated attacks on su85s is still damn difficult. You better believe you will come out of that battle bruised and barely able to function.
What you are talking about ? infantry >> SU85, Panther >>> SU85, Flanking Panzer >>> SU85. Pak >>> SU
You dont fight Su85 head to head, most reich players just going for tank fire exchange. And dont you think that same attack vs 3 panzer will be difficult too ? its like you rech players want easy wins everytime... Relic nerfed M3, Maxim, mortars, only one good unit thats left is f... SU85. I gived up alread... good luck with finding games in few weeks.