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Nobody wanted CoH2 to be a Eastern Front reskin of the same exact shit, they wanted a game that did everything CoH1 did right, improve on the stuff CoH1 did wrong, and introduce some new meaningful mechanics. True sight is ok, but otherwise game is not really an improvement and took at least one step backward for every step forward. The game is getting better, but still lacking in terms of macro level strategy compared to its predecessor.

Sooooooooo after two years of discussing coh1 vs coh2 haven't we yet come to the conclusion that both games are good for their own respective reasons. Players are going to like one game (or both) because everyone's taste in games differ?

Like... I don't see what's so complicated...

If you like coh1 - play coh1.
If you like coh2 - play coh2.

The site has plenty of space for both communities to coexist.

Sorry that coh2 didn't pan out like people wanted it to. I feel your pain. I really do. The same exact thing happened to me when SSBB was released. I wanted it to be a better SSBM, but in my opinion it wasn't. Does that mean it's an objectively bad game? Nope. I just didn't enjoy it as much as SSBM.

Is CoH 2 an objectively bad game? Nope. Is either game objectively superior? No. Obviously I prefer coh2 - for reasons previously stated. But I can still respect coh1 and why people like it. Why can't people play whichever game they like?

If anyone is waiting for coh2 to become vCoH 1.5, sorry to tell you, it isn't happening.

The vCoH community has more going for it and more support than plenty of other games that have etched out their own communities in the past. If vCoH is going to succeed it's going to take hard work and effort from the vCoH community. Not forum shitposting about how inferior of a game CoH 2 is.

@Nekron - You do realize I'm trying to help/inspire/do something positive/whatever for the vcoh community? I really don't understand why I'm being directly attacked by you and GeneralCH for saying both games are good and that both could/should be successful titles. My intentions here are noble. Maybe something is getting lost in translation since we don't speak each other's native languages but I really don't think all the hostility is warranted.

@Purlictor - Sure there's no one perfect build in SC2, but the tech timings get tied into a handful of optimal/viable builds. The vast majority of SC2 players - pros included don't come up with huge amounts of new/innovative builds constantly. The SC2 meta is pretty stale/slow to evolve - probably a big part of it is how bad HoTS has been overall. Slow boring game play etc.

My overall point being: Players don't sit there with X amount of resources and say "hm should I build 2 more Roaches or get my +1 attack upgrade." That choice has been made towards the beginning of the game when the player says "Hey on X map I want to do Y strategy which involves a +1/+1 timing attack at [insert game time here]. That's why I don't believe it to be as dramatic/awe inspiring choice as Inverse makes it out to be. I'd still be an advocate for/in favor of more global upgrades for CoH 2 but I still don't think vCoH fans would like CoH 2 just because of the addition of global upgrades.

Also, I'm not really sure you're right about AoE 2/SSBM only succeeding because of a lack of alternatives. Since AoE 2 has been around those players could have left for: SCBW, SC2, WC3, AoE3, AoE4, any of the countless C&C games, MOBAs, etc etc.

SSBM players could have left for... well any of the countless fighting games that have come out in the past decade. Street Fighters, Mortal Kombats, MvC, blah blah. Plenty of alternatives at hand.

can we please close this thread to many noobs here they talk bullshit

it was a question to relic and not for wanna be low bobs and coh2 fanboys. thx

Please leave the thread until you have something constructive to say. In case you didn't notice there are those of us here that are trying to have a mature discussion. People like you are the reason coh1 won't have a future, if things don't change.

Care to elaborate? This is always the counter-argument, yet it hasn't once been supported with evidence.

The sheer number of viable strategies available to all factions with the exception of USF. Also there are many different strategies specific to the different game modes. I know you don't like commanders but in my opinion it's a good system within the coh2 environment. On top of that relic is getting more creative with new commander abilities and working hard to redesign old commanders.

Bulletins are largely pointless right now, with a rework they could have a lot of strategic impact.

Tech timing and path is a super important decision in coh2 because of how expensive it is.

Anyways lunch time. Still 5 more hours in this car ride... Yay.

Did aoe2 die when it lost literally ALL developer support and the only reliable way to play it online? Nope. Is it getting an officially sanctioned patched 15 years later? Yup. Hell, they even still have televised aoe1 tournaments in Asia. The people that loved aoe2 more than aoe3/aoe4 made their own lobby system, ELO system, tournaments, etc. I don't see why coh1 couldn't grow again, especially being on steam and still having minor relic support. Or go off and make your own lobby/match making system. It might not be easy, but if people want it badly enough they'll make it happen.

I absolutely understand how coh1 players feel. I was extremely hyped for ssbb back when it was about to come out. I played in numerous Ssbm tournaments and was wanting to love ssbb, but i just didn't enjoy it - it wasn't for me. Did I go around telling everyone who liked ssbb what a shit game they were playing? Nope. I played Ssbm and let them have their fun with ssbb.

Ssbm didn't die when Nintendo literally tried to stop them from hosting tournaments. And Ssbm players don't sit around telling ssbb/sm4sh players how shit their games are... They play Ssbm and it's still the most popular/competitive smash title. Plenty of people play multiple smash games just like people could play, enjoy, and support both coh games. In my opinion what's good for either community is good for both games and what's good for either game is good for the community/both games. If an outsider is interested in either game, comes here and sees nothing but constant hostility it'll probably push them away from either game rather than drawing them to one or both.

I never ignored inverse's posts, he's been saying the exact same things about global upgrades for the last 2 years. I just disagree with his opinion on the lack of strategic depth in coh2, there is plenty of strategic depth, just in a different way. Back when he played there may not have been, but the game is pretty much completely different at this point. Comparing launch to the state of the game now - relic has made immense progress.

Anyways, we're just going in circles at this point. But I still saddens me to see the community so torn rather than wanting the best for both games.

I've said it once and I'll say it one last time - coh1 will be as successful as the coh1 community wants it to be. But if they only spread negativity their beloved game will die, which will be a sad day for everyone on coh2.org. A lot of the coh1 guys are still valuable community members.

Because CoH2 was and is a big disappointment for many CoH1 players. Besides that you can take a look at yourself.

I fail to so where this statement



is any better than this one, besides the politeness of course.



Both are offensive and contain zero argumentation.

So just because a handful of people were disappointed in coh2 means those people should actively, over two years after the release of coh2, sit around and complain about the game instead of just playing coh1 or whatever other games they enjoy? Feels like I'm beating a dead horse but coh1 could/would still be successful if the community did positive things for their game, instead of crying about how bad coh2 is.

Also, you cherry picked one sentence from my post. Even that sentence was relevant to the discussion at hand. Nekron's post is literally useless and the definition of a shitpost. I guess it really offends him that coh2 is objectively more competitive than vcoh. Or something. I don't know.

The strife between coh1 and coh2 players has just never made sense to me. Both communities enjoy solid games for different reasons. Why don't we just agree to disagree and at the very least not trash each other's game... Or you know... Help the other community out. Plenty of people still play both games.