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Does anyone have a source for when/where Stefan said that? Seems sort of unfair to just throw words into his mouth...

Lol Courier, I don't like Nullist as much as the next guy (and frankly think he's full of shit 90% of the time since he spends all day talking about a game he doesn't even play) but at least he has the balls to back his statements up with hard evidence.

Go away, men are talking here.

Back on topic - I actually didn't get a chance to watch the replay yesterday but I trust the results that you posted in the replay comments. Seems weird that the Front of the M3 beats the front of the 221, but the front of the M3 loses to the back of the 221 - maybe the matchup really mostly boils down to RNG?

As for the M3 vs the 251 - looking over the math I'm starting to think that the one time I tested it and had the 251 win, it was a fluke. The 251 does have double the HP of the M3, but it has basically zero DPS (I mean it has SOME but it is a tiny amount).

222 vs M3 + Guards is not a match up I'd bet on the 222. Guards just out-range the 222, are more accurate, and they can jump out of the M3 if necessary. Sure the 222 can win if it flies in at point blank range, but trying to counter guards in an M3 with a 222 has always felt risky to me.

Overall it seems like we were both right and wrong on certain things. I was wrong the 251 beating an M3, I think over the course of a bunch of tests a 221 will still beat an M3 front to front - or at the very least it is a close match up. And I'd side with Nullist on Guads + M3 versus a 222. Guards in M3 is actually a huge annoyance of mine - they really lack a solid counter until tanks hit the field.

Seems weird that the M3 Front would beat 221 front, but M3 front lose to 221 rear? Either way the matchup might boil down to RNG more than anything?

VindicareX made five against HolyHammer... didn't really work out though =X

(Not trying to smack talk Vindicare, he's a legitimately good player)

False. The M3 beats a 221. The Forward MG is close. The Rear MG outright beats it.
Which in and of itself already evidences the ridiculous relation between these two units. Why the hell does M3 have TWO MG Arcs AND a Garrison?
The 50cal is absolutely brutal! TEST IT. Go ahead. I dare you.


Even more false. The M3 barely beats 221 without garrison. But it utterly obliterates the 251.
The 251s MG is literally a peashooter. It cant even kill CE, let alone an armored M3.

The 250 doesnt even HAVE a weapon lol.



How does it have nothing to do with the M3, when Ost fields a 222 to counter it, yet gets owned by Guards either in it, or next to it?



Where is the empirical evidence? All I see is anecdotal evicence that is, unfortunately, false. Go test em. See for yourself. You clearly haven't though you claim you have.

German 221 (un-upgunned scout car):
DPS Including Reload/Accuracy:
Near - 19.641 / 0.6
Mid - 13.067
Far - 6.492 / 0.25
Range - 35

Armor:
Front - 11
Rear - 5.5

HP: 160

Soviet M3A1:
DPS Including Reload/Accuracy:
Front 0.50Cal MG:
Near - 18.291 / 0.5
Mid - 11.160
Far - 4.029 / 0.2
Range - 35

Back 0.30Cal MG:
Near - 18.770 / 0.5
Mid - 12.860
Far - 6.951 / 0.37
Range - 35

Armor:
Front - 8.4
Rear - 4.2

HP: 160

The German 221 has more armor and more DPS (including and excluding reload) than the M3A1, while having the same HP. The only scenario that I can see the M3 winning is if it is shooting the rear armor of the 221, while the 221 is stuck shooting the front of the M3. Furthermore, the M3A1 has a small arc of fire on both the frontal/rear mounted MGs, and cannot shoot to the sides - the 222 does not have this problem and can easily out micro a lone M3A1. Still beats it 1v1 if they're just standing still shooting each other though.

The 251 has double the hp of an M3 and at close range will beat an empty M3 1vs1 (I can't ever see this scenario actually happening, but you mentioned it). I have personally tested this out of curiosity. I never mentioned anything about the 250... but yes it will lose to an M3... it has no weapon.

I was mentioning that Guards cannot be part of the equation since I was only speaking to your statement that the M3A1 0.50Cal MG alone beats a 221. I agreed that Guards inside, or outside of the M3 destroy a 221/222/251 (as they should, it is their role).

Where is your evidence?