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As Milka said, this is mostly going to be a trial run so that we can see how everything goes. In the future we plan to host tournaments that everyone/anyone can participate in that will also have small prize pools (probably ~$50 depending on donations and such). Also more community interest in tournaments in general makes it easier to get prize support.

Thanks IpKai for running the tourney, thanks Ivan/Sib/mTw for participating - playing against you guys was tons of fun as always.

Sorry my mic was so quiet on my stream, just got my new computer about a week ago and still haven't fixed all the streaming settings on it. Hopefully the quality is a bit nicer though

Really looking forward to the next ESL 2v2 tournament, RtN's 2v2 and mTw's 2v2 - so much awesome 2v2 competition these days, love it.

Like I said if you want to play in tournaments that's cool, if you don't that's also cool.

Just don't expect a substantial prize for every event when numbers aren't good and it makes it difficult to secure sponsorship. It's not the fault of the players as the game isn't fun to play for a lot people and I understand it's the biggest problem with the game but just throwing money at a competitive scene and hoping people will play isn't going to get you anywhere. ( See EA and CnC3) It's unsustainable, for now it's best if you can get members of the community to interact and compete with each other in avenues other than auto match and actually grow a competitive spirit other than the bullshit mvgame kappa spam and crappy grudges that go on for reasons outside of playing the game.

If you had actually watched any of the videos you would see that the ethos behind the fighting game scene is one of friendship, competition and playing for the fun of it. The evo champ only made $4k which barely covered his ticket from Singapore to Las Vegas this year but he played and competed because he enjoyed the game and wanted to prove he was the best.

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Players should play and compete for the sake of the competition, not because there is mad $$$ to be made.

Every successful esport today had humble beginnings. You can't just throw a ton of money into an event and hope that by some miracle you get enough viewers to break even. It won't work. The community desire has to be there first. Which is something that this community really lacks, unfortunately.

Either way, props to IpKai for spending his time organizing this and I'm definitely singing up

It's strange that the people defending the game are so much angrier than those stating their issues with it :/

We rarely have a problem with people like you that can actually articulate the things that they dislike about the game and then back them up with evidence. Too many people in this community just cry incessantly about anything they can and then lash out against anyone who tries to have a serious discussion with them. Sure I don't always agree with your perspective but I can at least respect the fact that you take the time to make sure it is well thought-out, you can admit when you're wrong (which 99% of people around here cannot do), and you can sound somewhat intelligent.

@Basoline:

1) I have never claimed to be some great CoH 2 player. Sure I consider myself to be pretty good, but I don't think I'm top 10. Hell I'm probably barely top 25 if I'm being honest (and perhaps even lower than that, who knows). Please stop putting words into my mouth, it makes you sound dumb. Thanks.

2) I've debated different points of view in plenty of threads before to the point of just being sick of it. At times I enjoy debates with people like Inverse/Twister/Tommy (and perhaps a few others) because they can actually carry on a decent discussion. You on the other hand just regurgitate (often in a wrong manner) the things you see them saying. You haven't played the game in how long? And you think you have some semblance of an idea of the state of the game/metagame? Just the fact that you think Con/Gren spam or rushing for T3 tanks is still a thing shows how wrong you are. Sure those strats work sometimes on some maps, but the dominance of those strats has been dead for 3+ months.

3) You're the perfect example of what Noun was talking about with toxicity. You relentlessly follow me (and I'm sure others) into every thread and then start arguments for the sake of what...? You don't give good constructive criticism and you just attack people all day. It's tired bro, give it up. Like I said before, we as a community don't have to be sheep - we should speak out in a constructive manner in order to facilitate and push for good changes to the game but what you do is just plain toxic and annoying.

Sure any game will always have its better bunch of players, but the difference between these 'pros' and the average above-average player is incredibly smaller now. Look at Aimstrong for example, he had like a 98% win rate in automatch. And the other top players (Seb, DevM, Symbiosis, aljaz, Guderian, etc) were pretty close behind. Unless they got unlucky, they won almost every single game that wasn't against one of the top 10 players in the world. The people that are considered great now win 70-85% of their games against the general population, which isn't entirely their fault since the lower skill ceiling works both ways, but it just goes to show that the level of competition is a bit pale.
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Worst. Logic. Ever. Rofl.

As Cataclaw said even the absolute best of the best SC:BW/SC2 players ever (which are WAY better at SC than any vCoH/CoH2 player has ever been at a CoH game, comparably) have around 70% win rate. And I'm talking about the best to ever grace the RTS genre - Flash/Jaedong most notably. Wanting the top players to have some outrageous 98%+ win rate doesn't mean that there is some super deep level of skill that only a handful of guys are ever going to attain, it means there is a superb lack of competition (at least on the automatch ladder).

Even the win rates on the CoH2 auto-match ladder are way too high for normal ELO/matchmaking standards, proving that even COH2 suffers from a lack of automatch competition. Also, why do you (and a few other vCoH vets) get so upset/annoyed when a new player can enter the scene and succeed? Shouldn't new blood entering and being good at a high level be a good sign? I mean, that's certainly how it works for every other competitive game ever. But apparently new guys actually winning things or getting to the top of the ladder is bad in the (fucking awful) CoH community.

Perhaps I should leave this to myself, but frankly I've had more than I can take - the constant spewing of complete garbage by a handful of players in this community gets so tiresome that it makes me never want to touch this game again. Honestly this might be the most toxic community I've ever been a part of. Instead of celebrating competition and success people cry that the old vCoH guys (most of which don't even play the game) aren't instantly/always the best. Such a shame that this site has gone so downhill in the past few months.

If you guys really want the game to succeed and really want the community to grow you really have to look at the way in which you're approaching the whole thing. I'm not saying everything needs to be all happy all the time. Constructive criticism can be a great thing, but damn... some of you (Basoline) need to grow the fuck up. The horse you keep beating has been dead for about 6 months now, move on with your life.