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When will they release the next updates? What changes do you think will make the factions (UFK, OST)? |
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Next patch buff -------> OST |
The problem are the tank-hunters of other fraction making the overkill to Ostheer. No buff to Panther really needed. Only Jackson and Firefly need some nerf, I could even see some AT-gun nerfes here and there. (less reload or acc.) Or some more health for P4, so it can be hit 5 times.
T34\85???? |
For early game OST is definently fine. Late game problems occur once TDs overpower the OST T3 (which is the obvious choice since T4 is suicidal other than team games) and once vet up allied infantry start overpowering and overrunning the HMG42.
I am actually thinking like Vipper on that one (OST doesn't need buffs but others need nerfs) but since that is not looking like it will be done IMO Grens could see some more love DPS or survivability (regarding late game only) and a much needed anti TD something.
The puma could be added in T3.
Reduce fuel costs for phase 2 and for T3 & T4.
Improve the Brummbar and Panzerwerfer 42.
Move the veteran from 3 to 2 for the grenadiers.
Reduce the costs of the Panzergrenadiers (300). |
What you seem to not understand or ignore, you and many others, is that the LVs you see right now ARE ALREADY TONED DOWN, and these nerfs have hit them through several patches, not just one, except for the t70, that only had its recon ability nerfed after they already adjusted it's firepower.
And people still complain, again and again.
Ostheer used to dominate the LVs game once, that's why today it doesn't have anything that used to be abused in every match you saw.
The infamous puma+flametrack for instance has been rendered unviable for a reason, despite the countless complaints about puma being useless(although true).
You tone down the other LVs until what? Why not just remove them entirely? If that's a good option I'm all for it, but knowing Relic I doubt they will agree to remove any units for the sake of variety as they love to say in patch notes.
Stug buffs are debatable, but the panzer 4 is not on par with the rest of the other medium tanks, that work as intended, if you think the other med tanks need to be toned down, can you clarify which ones and what needs to be nerfed?
Don't you think it would be easier to simply make the panzer 4 a good equivalent instead of creating another balance mess by toning down every other tank?
Also, last patch had nothing but buffs for ostheer that's all the irony.
It's not only one thread, these discussions are everywhere, the balance team is aware of Ostheer struggles.
Most feedbacks are too biased or plain wrong though, the problem is that since the average player heard a few professionals say that ostheer might be the weakest, they keep blaming every loss on the faction and point out stuff that don't need to be adjusted.
I agree, but it is enough to play a couple of games with the Soviets to understand that they are slightly stronger than the OST. I am not an expert on the game, but I sincerely hope that a little buff will do it very soon. |
Or people who literally play only one faction but think they can talk about the factions they never played...
This has been discussed many times, another thread isn't necessary...
Ostheer needs solid grenadiers, better tools to hold itself during the LVs phase, and an improved panzer 4.
If you don't mind, can you leave me the link? |
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Hi in the old post I realized that OST needs a buff and many agree (just play the Soviets to understand).
In your opinion, what are the main problems of OST?
What are the buffs that OST needs? |
You don't.
Ost and UKF will never be tournament friendly, because they are designed and balanced with specific playstyle in mind and that playstyle isn't going to win you anything at tournament level, because its not aggressive enough, ost and UKF are methodical snowballing factions that respond to threats, let the game run long enough and you'll be overwhelmed, players know that and pick factions that peak earlier to end the game faster.
That doesn't mean the factions themselves aren't competitive or good.
Ost is probably THE strongest faction in team games and it always held that position, it only briefly went to 2nd place when UKF was released and still imbalanced.
You can't really balance 5 different factions with completely different playstyles for the level of competitiveness, where losing a single squad can snowball into losing the game.
I don't find that OST is balanced, an overly defensive faction is not good. |
In the same way UKF is not as useless in teamgames, that kind of change has bigger repercussions in other modes.
so how can you enhance OST without making it OP in the other modes? Adding the puma? Giving a type of light tank?
Decreasing the costs of some things? |
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For OST, if the problem lies in T3 and T4, is it enough that the prices of the tanks are reduced and is the more "scarce" ones? |
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