Just stop, you're just embarrassing yourself.
1. Coh1 rifles were cheaper and you could get more of them quicker
2. Coh1 rifles didn't have to purchase bars with munitions, meaning there were more munis for nades
3. Coh1 USF could choose to start with mortar and other support weapons, if the map was unfavorable for rifle flanking.
4. Coh1 rifles had jeeps which could spot for them
5. Coh1 MG42s didn't have AP rounds to counter supporting light armor as well
6. Coh1 MG42s had purchased vet and vet MG42s were rare
7. I'm pretty sure Coh1 MG42 had a smaller arc then the Coh2 MG42
8. COH1 balance is completely different then Coh2 balance
Nope, you are. True sight + rifle smoke + vaulting more than mitigates all of the OH advantages over the COH1 counterpart. OH is fucking trash right now and they have been for a long time. Anyone complaining about struggling vs MG42s in this game seriously needs to get good, because you aren't good enough of a player mechanically speaking to make judgements on balance.
Says guy without playercard.
Sure brit blob + arty or pe armored cars spam required so much skill.
We are talking about coh2 here, stfu coh1 whinners already, you are starting to be annoying.
Coming from another guy without a playercard LOL. Nosliw made to round 4 or 5 in the last two 2v2 tournaments he played.
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Except thats not how its actually played at a higher level.... |
finally reached gold 1 with randoms. Oh god...
I always carrying my team as defender, simple just go and spawnkill the enemy. To bad i cant be in more places to cover all spawn point. Guess with team it would be so much fun winning round in 10 sec.
Also i like the new Pulse. Anyone want to join? (EU)
What changed with Pulse? Haven't played in 2 months. |
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I agree with noun and Ipkai.
And as a PS for Basilone: never link to a Daily Mail article, if you want to cite a serious UK source. The only things relatively reliable from the DM are articles from Max Hastings, and even then some of them have to be taken with a grain of salt.
A university study isn't automatically nullified because of a website it gets featured on. Plus this article wasn't exactly a bombshell. You don't need "science" to make an observation, it only confirms them. I don't need to be an expert on skin biology to know that red heads don't do too well in the sun, studies of melanin only explains what is already obvious.
Noun's initial post caught the gist of it, I think: some RTS players are jurassic in their outlook to women, whilst others seem to be immature teenagers with a huge helping of testosterone, neither of which are necessarily conducive to ordinary social intercourse.
I don't see anyone saying non-sense like "yeah they should get back in the kitchen." Its a combination of fewer women liking games, and the ones that do like games preferring different types of games. If the majority of girls are actually closet hardcore gamers, enlighten us.
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Too many people on this forum jump from the fact - man and woman are different, to a false logic - man are more competitive, have more qualities that attracts them to the complex RTS genre.
Well my own observations was enough to draw a correct conclusion about the matter, but since you want some science here you go:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3049126/Men-competitive-women-Sportsmen-driven-greater-desire-win-regardless-ability-claims-study.html
And like I said, some women are more competitive. But they are more competitive at sports and/or education. I know literally zero female athletes that are serious gamers, most of them don't even own consoles for casual entertainment and kill time reading or binging netflix. Inverse was a very high level COH player and played collegiate baseball. One of my old roomates plays football for the university team and we played a lot of NBA 2K15 together.
To cite today's STEM industry to prove anything is also a moot because it wasn't too long ago until women were heavily socio-pressured into "traditional" roles. A great example would be WWII when many women were forced to fill the gap that was made by conscripted men. They did their jobs as good as the men but when the war was over, everything was just reverted just because it was the way of the society not because female hormone or gene made them worse at the industry. There is a big difference between working on an assembly line and being a petroleum engineer or nuclear physicist. "Rosie the Riveter" wasn't inventing the cutting edge technology of the war. Oppenheimer, Fermi, and von Braun were.
The stigma still exist today of course. It's like me saying Asian Americans earn the most in America because we just have better gene. That is bullshit. It's the culture of tiger moms and ancient tradition that equate wealth to happiness. Off-topic that is mostly true in major western countries. Its not that all Asians are smarter, but the days of average joes migrating across oceans by the millions to north America in a boat to escape potato famines or other hardships is over. It takes a lot of money to migrate internationally by plane. These exceptionally smart Asian American immigrants aren't triads or blue collar working class people, they have money to get here because they were very successful back home and they relocate to take a nice job. Intelligence is hereditary, so when smart immigrants are procreating with other smart immigrants, and instill good work ethic in their children, its no surprise that you see so many brilliant young Asian Americans, Canadians, or whatever. I come from a city with a mix of blue collar rednecks and many upper class gated country club communities, and the latter group are all clustered in the same part of town and zoned for the same high school. Unsurprisingly that school sends way more kids to nice universities. |
Why don't more women play RTS games?
Thank you for teeing that up Baz. But let's explore this point a bit - why would a woman reading this thread, or the general tone of gaming forums like this one, not feel like speaking up? Perhaps because she'd either be dismissed as delusional or a dyke?
Let's face it as pointed out when I streamed on Relic streams I was ~100 pounds overweight but my appearance was only mentioned when someone wanted to insult me and couldn't think of anything clever to say. When Cynthia streamed her appearance, despite being far more standard in terms of height and weight, than me was constantly commented on. Even people who thought they were being polite or giving her a compliment were being insulting.
"You're cute" = I don't really care what you're talking about your appearance means more to me.
And I mean that's just a surface level of the kind of stuff she had to deal with. That every visible woman as either a developer or gamer has to deal with. The shit that Cynthia deals with day-in-day-out is just astonishing, and is stuff that I don't have to deal with.
There's also, as mentioned, a cultural component to it. Women are consciously and unconsciously directed towards certain past-times. Gaming increasingly is one of them, more than half of players are now female, but historically it's been a more male pursuit. That's changing and there's fantastic opportunities for the RTS game that figures out how to break into that market. Doubling sales or more, for example.
The competitive question is interesting. Women compete in sports and do so at a high degree of excellence. Yes biological differences mean they largely don't compete with men, since physically men are bigger and stronger, but that doesn't really apply to games. However the kind of caustic reaction women naturally attract in gaming communities isn't exactly the sort of thing that makes women want to be open about that.
Take the site Fat, Ugly or Slutty which highlights abuse women receive on Xbox Live. Why would anyone want to really draw attention to themselves and that abuse? This isn't just an RTS thing, or a CoH/Relic thing. It's an industry wide issue
There's some genuine creeps and douchebag harassment going on. People that would give someone like Cynthia a hard definitely fall in to that category. But a lot of the "sexism" in online gaming isn't really sexism. A lot of girl gamers say they want to be treated just like the guys, and then so thats what they get, and then they complain about it. They have no clue how a lot of guys talk to eachother, and when they are on the receiving end they wrongly assume its because they are a girl.
That said there probably is a bit more sexism in gaming recently and I think the trendiness of twitch sluts is to blame. To clarify I mean girls that prey on lonely guys by intentionally wearing pushup bras and low cut tops, and get a unreasonably high rate of views/donations despite having no skills or personality. |
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Some things have nothing to do with your genetic makeup, others do. Fashion or even something like music taste (men preferring something like Pink Floyd while girls rather hear One Direction) has nothing to do with biological gender differences. On the other hand behavior and in many cases interests are. Obviously there are outliers like Rhonda Rousey and some random 100lb beta male on twitch.tv, but outliers do not debunk a general rule. |
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Game is so good. Had it for 3 weeks and already 140 hours in. Right now doing a multiplayer as Turkey. Converted to fascism and conquered Iraq. Then founded my own faction called ISIS and invited my friends playing as Romania. Conquered the Saudis, Yemen, and Oman. Also kicked the French out of Syria, and took over British holdings in the Arabian Peninsula and Israel. Romania is taking Greece and Bulgaria for the mighty caliphate. Now I'm using WW1 era bi-planes to Kamikazee (read jihad) commonwealth ships in the waters off my coast.
9/11 would purge infidels again |
That is fact/science.
that isn't.
since when is engineering competitive? a graduate with an engineering degree from a half decent college can get a 40-50k first year salary easy. engineering is a very safe career. I rather say Art is more competitive. You don't get a test that have straight questions and straight answers. Your grade is always relative to your classmates and your portfolio matters more than simple alphabetic grades. You work for yourself way more as an artist (especially due to lack of good job security... ) than if you are an engineer. Art schools, even most prestigious usually have 60-40 girls to boys ratio.
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If anything, i think it has to do with environment more than innate biology.
I didn't mean engineering is competitive, I meant it is based on the type of problem solving that men excel at and are more drawn to. Competitiveness is a different aspect where men and women differ, and RTS is a combination of competition + strategic problem solving so thats why very few chicks play it.
And to whoever said this is some sort of social conditioning issue, thats a valid explanation why more men play videogames of all genres. But the competitive drive and mens outperforming in engineering/chess/coaching/standardized tests, etc. etc. is genetic. |
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